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That’s because economics is an art, not a science. I’m well aware. I laughed at you because you said “policies don’t have to be political. Society makes them political” Society makes the policies. You’ve said yourself there is no obvious “right” answer in economics, but you expect society to make economic policies that are apolitical. In before you say you didn’t say that. Are policies political or not?

I felt you made a silly statement.
I agree that society makes policies and that society also makes things political. But, it is possible for society to make policies without making them political. Many of the best policies have been made by those who were able to set aside their political bias to clearly see all angles of the problem they were facing rather than only what they "wanted" to see.

And I appreciate you explaining why you made the laughing face emoji because I think it is much more pleasant to actually discuss these things with words.

Economics is both an art and a science. Here's how:

The "science" part involves collecting economic data from many different sources and using the scientific method (including forming a hypothesis and using the economic data to test the hypothesis) to make a prediction. Because economic data is so messy, this can be difficult but science is necessary to form benchmarks for sound economic policy.

However, the science of economics begins with the assumption that all economic players are rational. Clearly we know that human beings are often not rational, so the "art" part of economics helps us to adjust our policies to account for real, irrational human behavior. This helps us to determine how well our predictions made in the "science" part of economics will hold up in the real world.

So, good economic policy making uses both "science" and "art" to eliminate political bias that can damage policy.

of ubi? Because ubi to employeed people will incentivize employment and doesn’t have the negative impact of minimum wage, but I don’t really think that has anything to do with bg’s current employment issues the way unemployment incentives do.

I agree that this has nothing to do with BGW's employment issues, but you provide here an excellent example of a hypothesis ("UBI to employed people will incentivize employment and will not have the negative impact of minimum wage") that can be tested in real life using both the art and the science that I mentioned above. So the willingness of policy makers to test ideas such as these is the first step in making good policy.
 
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"Hence it is evident that the state is a creation of nature, and that man is by nature a political animal. And he who by nature and not by mere accident is without a state, is either above humanity, or below it; he is the ‘Tribeless, lawless, hearthless one,’ whom Homera denounces—the outcast who is a lover of war; he may be compared to a bird which flies alone." -- Aristotle
 
"Hence it is evident that the state is a creation of nature, and that man is by nature a political animal. And he who by nature and not by mere accident is without a state, is either above humanity, or below it; he is the ‘Tribeless, lawless, hearthless one,’ whom Homera denounces—the outcast who is a lover of war; he may be compared to a bird which flies alone" -- Aristotle

As it is... a bird that flies alone is a dead bird.
 
Northam has announced a shift in restrictions for May 15th that effectively just takes the existing amusement park rules and applies them to all entertainment venues, with a 50% restriction on capacity. It's unclear to me whether this will change the rules around entertainment, but my sense based on what I'm reading is that they are otherwise unchanged, and thus we likely won't see a significant change at the park until June, which is when they're suggesting it is possible for all capacity restrictions to be removed.

 
So, with the president's new guidelines about mask wearing.......Do we or don't we need a mask at BGW? The example the CDC gives is for outdoor concerts and crowding. I'm not sure being outdoors at BGW with reduced capacity requires a mask after what he said a little while ago.

I understand it is not for me to decided but it seems to be s step in the right direction.
 
So, with the president's new guidelines about mask wearing.......Do we or don't we need a mask at BGW? The example the CDC gives is for outdoor concerts and crowding. I'm not sure being outdoors at BGW with reduced capacity requires a mask after what he said a little while ago.

I understand it is not for me to decided but it seems to be s step in the right direction.
I don't see how that changes anything for BGW at this time.
It's definitely a "crowded setting" so masks still would be required even with the new rules.

Seems like we're taking the victory lap a bit early here with not even a third of Americans being fully vaccinated.
 
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The new guidelines seem to say that crowded outdoor places with people of uncertain vaccine statuses should remain masked.

Assuming away a vaccine requirement at BGW (as much as I'd favor that approach), it seems to me that today's announcement shouldn't justify a policy change for BGW.
 
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I guess that is where I am confused. If you use the criteria of who is and who isn't vaccinated we may be in this for a very long time. As it is now I walk through BGW and have no clue who's been vaccinated. My only reason for even bringing it up is that now with temps in the 80's, mask wearing becomes an uncomfortable issue. Maybe over the next few days there will be more guidance as to where exactly a mask will be required. I think BGW is going to have their hands full trying to enforce mask wearing with this latest announcement. I know, BGW is private property and they can make their own rules but I've already seen some people resisting wearing masks in public and overheard some arguments about being vaccinated. This latest guidance isn't going to help resolve it.
 
That's why most everyone is pretty sure parks won't act on this new guidance by reducing masking—without vaccine requirements, parks have to assume everyone inside the gates is still unvaccinated and, hence, follow the CDC recommendations for that group (read: masks and social distancing in populous outdoor places).

This is why we (and the parks in my opinion) need to be yelling from the rooftops for everyone to get vaccinated. We should be able to remove all of these precautions when we get to vaccine-induced herd immunity. Right now, from what the experts have been saying, the fully vaccinated number is far too low to prevent large-scale community spread.

(Seriously people, get vaccinated! The quicker the overwhelming majority of us are, the sooner we get normality back at BGW.)
 
I believe under the current state orders BGW is still required to mandate them regardless of the CDC announcement. Beyond that I believe that Sea still requires mask at their parks in Florida and Texas where there are no government requirements to do so. I think that it's highly unlikely that today's announcement changes anything for BGW.
 
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The bigger question will be how do places like BGW handle people that have been told by their primary physician because of their prexisting conditions they should not get the vaccine or those that did get the first dose but had a reaction and was told they should not take the second dose? Do those people basically get told sorry you cant come here?
 
The bigger question will be how do places like BGW handle people that have been told by their primary physician because of their prexisting conditions they should not get the vaccine or those that did get the first dose but had a reaction and was told they should not take the second dose? Do those people basically get told sorry you cant come here?

It's sorta a non-issue until/unless BGW implements vaccine requirements. Frankly, even if they did (unlikely I believe), it may even be a nonissue then given the incredibly small number of people to whom such an issue would apply.

Does anyone know how the California parks that have implemented vaccine passports for out of state visitors handle documented medical exemptions?
 
It's sorta a non-issue until/unless BGW implements vaccine requirements. Frankly, even if they did (unlikely I believe), it may even be a nonissue then given the incredibly small number of people to whom such an issue would apply.

Does anyone know how the California parks that have implemented vaccine passports for out of state visitors handle documented medical exemptions?
Disneyland today was not even checking IDs to make sure it was CA residents for the cast preview.
 
Does anyone know how the California parks that have implemented vaccine passports for out of state visitors handle documented medical exemptions?

Answering my own question: SEAS seems to be the only chain allowing entry to out of state guests in CA right now. Their position is "If you cannot provide this verification, please continue to visit our website for updates on when these restrictions and admission availability will be lifted."
 
Frankly, even if they did (unlikely I believe), it may even be a nonissue then given the incredibly small number of people to whom such an issue would apply.

Brother...it doesn’t take long to look around and see how the entire world has to change because some incredibly small % of the population is offended by something

All it takes is one person who feels they are offended/being discriminated against for it all to blow up
 
Even if I agreed with your premise (which I certainly don't), we've already crossed this Rubicon and the doomsayers were all already proven wrong. Where are all the lawsuits about mask requirements from the incredibly small segment of the population who can't wear masks? This is literally no different than people who can't wear a mask being excluded from parks. The number of people who cannot wear a mask is incredibly small and excluding them from attending an amusement park during a public health emergency seems to be both legal and perfectly reasonable to the vast majority of guests. The same applies to vaccines.

Regardless, again, this is all sorta neither here nor there as I have yet to see anything to suggest that BGW plans to implement any sort of vaccine passport system for reduced precautions or a vaccine requirement for entry.
 
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Brother...it doesn’t take long to look around and see how the entire world has to change because some incredibly small % of the population is offended by something

All it takes is one person who feels they are offended/being discriminated against for it all to blow up

If it's a policy based on medical research showing how we can prevent parks from becoming super spreader sites, and that a large chunk of the population can at least comprehended if not actually follow, then I don't see your argument holding up well.
 
The number of people who cannot wear a mask or cannot get a vaccine is incredibly small.
Small gripe but I would say this is an "and" situation not an "or".

I was talking with my cousin about this stuff earlier today, and his opinion is that we're going to soon hit an "at will" in many ways with COVID. Meaning that he thinks it will hit a point that if you haven't had the vaccine and end up having it that the federal government will okay insurance companies to chose to not cover any care for it; employers can choose to not give you paid time off if you are out with COVID; can't bring a lawsuit against businesses if you contract COVID if you weren't vaccinated. Additionally he thinks they might allow schools to chose to have vaccine requirements like they have now.
 
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