COVID-19 & Coasters: Coronavirus Impacts on the Amusement Industry

[BGW Family]

Wow, I never thought I'd miss PartyRocker. Thank you for all the words you put in my mouth. My only retort is to quote Luke.

Be that as it may....

Oh, and thanks for giving me a good reason to learn the Ignore feature.

 

[warfelg]

Sure there might be some restrictions to getting people inside, but they got Castle O'Sullivan and NewKastle as areas that they can set up as indoor air conditioned areas.

Also @rswashdc the thing you keep saying that I know bothers me (and I think @VonDerrick as well) us you keep saying "with a mask on all the time" despite the fact that there are exemptions for eating and drinking so there are clearly options other than going inside for relief. Walk to a ride, get on it, take a minute or two to sip something to drink out of a bottle and catch some breaths without the mask. Make your way around the park doing that. People aren't going to be restricted from removing the mask at all while inside.

Also yes the humidity in Williamsburg can be bad. But it's also not like that all of the time. There are plenty of days that are nice. There are plenty of other precautions that people can take. I love doing the ice toweled the night before as a way to keep myself cool. I usually take a swim chamois towel to just 'dry off' with when I get sweaty. But alas as @Zachary and I commented, most people don't have common sense when it comes to basic things like that.

 

[VonDerrick]

@BGW Family If I put any words in your mouth, it is because you failed to present a clear direction or message in your post. To be frank, all you have been doing is making posts that discredit my claims without actually giving any direction as to what your point actually is. All I have to go off of from your previous post is that the general public doesn't know about taking responsibility.

My point in this discussion is that masks are not the end of the world, and that people should learn to adapt as needed. Your contradictions to my posts only gives me the idea that you're against my point. You haven't really clearly elaborated on what your direction is.

 

[r757chan]

The question was whether you would visit BGW if they had a mandatory mask policy. About 2/3 said yes they would go with mandatory masks. The other third was across three negative choices, most of which were in the category of no they would not go. The other two choices were if there specific exemptions and I have a physical ailment.

You implied that the question was about the mask policy but based on what you just said it is about being comfortable going. Imagine a question that asked if you'd be comfortable being shot in the chest while wearing a Kevlar vest. Just because 1/3 say no doesn't mean that 1/3 are anti-vest, it just means 1/3 don't want to take the risk regardless of what they are wearing. Wording matters with surveys.

 

[BGW Family]

A study from Oxford, for the others that might care. I look forward to your letters.

 

[r757chan]

A study from Oxford, for the others that might care. I look forward to your letters.

Yes, wearing a mask when it's hot and humid outside sucks. Getting coughed on by a stranger who can't wear a mask also sucks.

If either if those two situations make you uncomfortable then just stay home and don't go to an amusement park, it's really that simple.

 

[warfelg]

A study from Oxford, for the others that might care. I look forward to your letters.

Good study there. It does look like most of the study is based on N95 masks (as opposed to the cloth mask most are wearing) and does admit there needs to be further research if widespread use was needed. The mitigation strategies made me chuckle though. Breath through your nose, carry a personal fan, research the breathability of your mask. But the one that made me laugh was refrigerate your mask for a while first. ?. "Hold on hunny, we can't leave yet my mask is in the freezer!"

 

[Jonesta6]

So beyond this he-says-she-says about masks and other restrictions, what's the likelihood my as can get on a coaster in VA before July?

 

[warfelg]

So beyond this he-says-she-says about masks and other restrictions, what's the likelihood my as can get on a coaster in VA before July?

Gut feeling for me is Parks will be in phase 3. So if (optimistically) we hit Phase 2 on June 5th, we're likely looking at Phase 3 June 19th at the earliest, most likely a week later on the 26th. Give the park 2 weeks (again optimistically) to get open. That's early/mid-July then.

 

[rswashdc]

You implied that the question was about the mask policy but based on what you just said it is about being comfortable going. Imagine a question that asked if you'd be comfortable being shot in the chest while wearing a Kevlar vest. Just because 1/3 say no doesn't mean that 1/3 are anti-vest, it just means 1/3 don't want to take the risk regardless of what they are wearing. Wording matters with surveys.

Here’s the exact question asked: Will you attend the park if mask are REQUIRED for entry and enjoyment to the park? Answer choices are: yes, no, depends on exemptions, physically unable.

The question and results are clearly about mask policy and not feelings of being comfortable.

 

[rswashdc]

Gut feeling for me is Parks will be in phase 3. So if (optimistically) we hit Phase 2 on June 5th, we're likely looking at Phase 3 June 19th at the earliest, most likely a week later on the 26th. Give the park 2 weeks (again optimistically) to get open. That's early/mid-July then.

Phase 3 was 10-12 weeks after phase 2 (mid August at the earliest) and basically removes social distancing and prohibitions on large gatherings. Parks should be in phase 2 though I’d assume thats with a lot of restrictions as seen similarly in current phase 1 openings.

 

[Zachary]

So beyond this he-says-she-says about masks and other restrictions, what's the likelihood my as can get on a coaster in VA before July?

Very high in my opinion.

 

[rswashdc]

Sure there might be some restrictions to getting people inside, but they got Castle O'Sullivan and NewKastle as areas that they can set up as indoor air conditioned areas.

Also @rswashdc the thing you keep saying that I know bothers me (and I think @VonDerrick as well) us you keep saying "with a mask on all the time" despite the fact that there are exemptions for eating and drinking so there are clearly options other than going inside for relief. Walk to a ride, get on it, take a minute or two to sip something to drink out of a bottle and catch some breaths without the mask. Make your way around the park doing that. People aren't going to be restricted from removing the mask at all while inside.
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If people are just going to take masks off all the time, which I completely concur will happen in actuality, then why have such a restrictive mask policy in the first place. Once people realize that others aren’t wearing masks and that the policy is a joke, they won’t wear them either.

Note: Taking masks on and off is completely against CDC and WHO recommendations on wearing masks due to cross contamination, so this is basically advocating for unsafe ways to execute what is already bad policy.

 

[r757chan]

Here’s the exact question asked: Will you attend the park if mask are REQUIRED for entry and enjoyment to the park? Answer choices are: yes, no, depends on exemptions, physically unable.

The question and results are clearly about mask policy and not feelings of being comfortable.

The fact that we are disagreeing on this shows that the survey isn't reliable for the point you were trying to make. Many people would answer yes to that question, masks or otherwise. And vice versa. If you want to find out the effects the mask policy would have on attendence (your original point I think) you'd have to ask people if they'd be willing to go with masks, and then ask all those same people if they'd be willing to go without masks. Comparing the responses to those two different questions will tell you who is swayed by the mask policy.

 

[BGW Family]

Yes, wearing a mask when it's hot and humid outside sucks. Getting coughed on by a stranger who can't wear a mask also sucks.

If either if those two situations make you uncomfortable then just stay home and don't go to an amusement park, it's really that simple.

As you are simply welcome to ignore my posts. Relax your sphincters. Only your information or opinions matters? Facts hurt? Everyone does or thinks only your way? Well welcome to America. I neither required nor seek anyone's affirmation or guidance. I put up factual references to statements, not my opinion on any stance. But you will be very pleased to know I've already indicated I won't be coming to the park during this. I have no intention of dealing with the hassle of comfort, stupid people, getting sick, and the general loss of relaxation and fun.

Now I understand what the previous comments about etiquette and visceral attacks have been about. I've wonder what it was like down here with the bottom feeders. It smells bad. I prefer civil discussions. But thank you for another chance to use the ignore function. ?

 

[Zachary]

If people are just going to take masks off all the time, which I completely concur will happen in actuality, then why have such a restrictive mask policy in the first place.

Why have speed limits if everyone is going to exceed them all the time anyway?

Just because a policy’s existence doesn’t ensure 100% compliance doesn’t invalidate the justification for the policy all together.

 

[Nicole]

I think my comments about the EO apply to park mask policies, as well:

Coronavirus Crisis

Depends on how a gathering would be defined in an amusement park setting though - 50 people inside of a normal restaurant that seats 100-150 is reasonable, but 50 spread out through just 2 hamlets would be almost invisible

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Edit: since the link doesn’t seem to take you to the exact post, here is what I said:

“Discounting antisocial and narcissistic people who may ignore any rule that they dislike, I think for the majority of citizens, the distinction between a request and a requirement is huge. It signals the seriousness of rule and gives them emotional cover (for lack of a better term).

“When the government issues guidelines, most people take them as a nice to do and feel less compelled to comply. When it comes out as an EO, they understand that the government is essentially saying that personal preferences should not enter into an individual’s decision making.

“Additionally, the EO may take some of the stigma away. For something like masks that are not part of our culture, people may feel very self-conscious wearing them in public. In fact, historically, a lot of Americans have associated masks with hypochondria (outside of a hospital, of course). This problem is probably exacerbated by by how uncomfortable they are. Unless they are somehow normalized, a formal government requirement to wear masks may make people feel less silly or at least give them a way to justify a very public violation of our traditional norms.“

 

[tursiops]

This topic has sadly become too political. How many people actually have any scientific data to support their arguments? Last I knew the CDC didn't really have much in the way of valid data for cloth masks. N95 are a different story. I do not like masks, but I use them. This doesn't mean anti mask people don't have valid arguments. Plus you cannot compare us to Asia. We are different people, with different upbringings and vastly different levels of health and lifestyle. This is a complex situation and it's ridiculous that both sides refuse to consider the other. Opinions do not equal fact. Mine included.
It will be interesting to watch the next couple weeks. One of two things will happen, either legoland Florida will go full mask like the rest or the rest will loosen their mask requirements like legoland. "Science" and money will decide.

 

[WDWRLD]

So parks are mentioning "relazation zones"they are suposedly a place you can remove your mask to take a break. As I saw it mentioned on Twitter they sound like the old smoking areas in the parks.Now to me these areas cant be but so big, so they will probably be packed. So basically I guess Covid somehow couldnt be spread in those areas?

 

[BGW Family]

Well stated @tursiops. I can't believe I'm even saying anything else in here. Likely my last comment on it all. NO ONE has all the facts or the one right answer. Too much is unknown, or untested, or misinformed, or highly emotional, or just flat-out being spun. Making speculation the word of the day. If anyone here is an expert and has it all solved, there is a job awaiting you in DC.

Pushing forward. An old story, but still relevant. Do masks offer protection from new virus? It depends. Paired with Are Non-Respirator Masks Ineffective at Protecting Against COVID-19?

So WHAT mask, if even then worn correctly, matters. It seems any mask is better than none but "The best laid plans..." you know. However, any other kind of mask seems more like a "feel good" measure as most scientific articles indicate. How many have access to the correct masks or even care as long it just gets them in the park? Then continue to use the mask, and other preventive measures, effectively and responsibly? That is not adding in the complications of wearing a mask in certain adverse conditions. Plus, the most effective measures still reported are constant washing of hands, keeping your hands away from your face, and keep your distance. Six feet is not enough, btw. Also not getting into how long this virus can linger in the air.

I equate it to innocent drivers killed by drunk drivers while they were likely doing everything safely exactly as they were suppose to. It, nonetheless, did not protect them. I'm not going to drink and drive to keep others, and myself, safe. Covidiots (look it up) will not reciprocate. Just replace drunk drivers with covidiots. Put your own health at risk as you choose. But don't drag me, or loved ones, into danger with your selfishness. Is BGW worth endangering me or, more importantly, others I might bring it back to? Nope. Absolutely not.

I can't imagine the pain of anyone loosing their loved ones plus having them die alone in isolation without saying goodbye. Those covidiots carelessly infecting others should be made to experience that same pain, which still wouldn't be good enough punishment. We haven't seen a good number of dear immune deficient friends during this. And it will be a long time before we may. However long it takes, that is what is responsible.

We've had the highest daily cases of infections now that NC restrictions have been relaxed. Surpassing 1,000 new cases for this week. Saturday, the NCDHHS reported 1,185 as the new record for the most positive coronavirus cases reported in one day. Obliviously, many aren't following safe measures. People are people. Like some others on this forum, only they are right or have opinions that matter. I can't control them, but I can control me and do my best to stay healthy and safe while respecting other people's well-being. Everyone else is welcome to responsibly do as you wish, as am I. Respecting that seems to be lost here. However, I would not call it anyone's right to do whatever they want carelessly. To paraphrase a very smart Vulcan, "The rights of the many outweigh the rights of the few" with this pandemic.

After the too long, the short is that I can do everything right but someone else can do it so wrong. I just don't have that kind of confidence in humanity. To be crass, Scrooge might say let the irresponsible rush out so that it may decrease the surplus covidiot population. So yes, I WILL simply stay home and comfortably await my entrance into the Land of Galilee. Now those so eager to know, have my opinion.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled program of speculative assumptions.

Going to bed, hoping to wake up to an excellent soul-sucking snark remark from @Thomas.