Oh that looks awesome. I'm really excited to see how this turns out. I'm really enjoying the effort that SEAS is putting in overall lately.
Busch Gardens Williamsburg Project 2024: Loch Ness Monster Renovation
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My dad’s reaction to the bite in the train 
The company doing the theming in the station and other aspects is the same company That BGW has been contracting with for mazes and scare zones for Howl-O-Scream
I mentioned it before but I'm getting major mystic timbers vibes from the theming. Mildly spooky and atmospheric rather than immersive. For the record, that's a good thing in my book. Atmospheric theming absolutely has its place in the industry and should frankly be utilized more
The ripped up Nessie car is such a great tie-in with the theme of the ride vehicle being a Loch Ness Expeditions sub that is being used to hunt for the Loch Ness Monster. Pair the "destroyed sub" ride vehicle with the cranes and whatnot in the station for launching the sub and the "subs" voyaging into the cave and finding Nessie, and this all starts to feel like a really conceptually solid retheme. Such a radical departure from the conceptually incoherent DarKoaster just a year prior.
You know how curved and slow Anacondas drop is right? If you don't recall just watch a POV. It's taller but that's a super slow drop into the tunnel.Anaconda feels faster top speed but even if I might say I'm wrong and they're even, a 10 MPH advantage to Ness doesn't pass a sanity test; the snake's drop is almost 30 feet taller. However I was mostly talking about on average, even with Anaconda's slow second half, Loch Ness has more slower sections -- although Wikipedia doesn't back me up on that either. It also claims Ana hits 5.1 G's, which I presume is lateral at that one spot. At least that's easy to memorize, while Nessie's roughness was more complex, hopefully that competition is game over now though.
Passes all the sanity tests.
This was my first coaster, ever.
I have never been more excited to ride it again than I am now.
Please, BGW - please give the same attention to 2025's coaster. If I see some incoherent mixing of a dragon/wolf/ice/Bratwurst theme in the queue line back there and the name "Steppenwolf: The Legend of the Big Bad Wolf Ice Dragoon (Sponsored by Oscar Meyer) - I shall perish from this Earth.
I have never been more excited to ride it again than I am now.
Please, BGW - please give the same attention to 2025's coaster. If I see some incoherent mixing of a dragon/wolf/ice/Bratwurst theme in the queue line back there and the name "Steppenwolf: The Legend of the Big Bad Wolf Ice Dragoon (Sponsored by Oscar Meyer) - I shall perish from this Earth.
Not quite.
Anaconda's vertical loop stands 100 feet above the surface of the lake. The train climbs up into this loop immediately after the first drop into the tunnel, with the tunnel being the location where it attains its top speed.
How does the train get all the way up to the top of that loop, if it is only traveling at 50mph at the bottom of the first drop, which is 16 feet below the surface of the lake, making its subsequent climb into the loop even bigger?
In short: It doesn't, not ever, and not even really that close. The math backs that up.
Yet the train does makes it up there every single time, and with considerable speed to spare so it can zip around the top of the loop.
How?
Either the claimed stats are both correct and impossible, or one of the claimed stats is way off.
As to which claimed stat is way off, either height or speed... Static height is much easier to eyeball for a rough sanity check than momentary top speed. Especially when top speed occurs in a section of the ride you can't even see from off-ride.
Oh, also: a curve in the first drop doesn't make as much difference to top speed as one might think.
Loch Ness goes into its highest loop on a very small drop. That loop is 82 ft and since the retrack it's whipping around it quickly on the tests.
And yes Anacondas drop is slow, unfortunately I've ridden it enough to know.
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Anyway I'm done with this convo. Have a good one
Let's enjoy Loch Ness when it opens together.
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Hate to interject & reopen this discussion, but I think both of these speed figures are wrong. Anaconda's listed 50mph speed is definitely the more-wrong of the two, though. 144ft drop, you're looking at 60mph at least, probably more like ~62/63mph. The original Loch Ness Monster media fact sheet from way back in the day says it reaches "more than 60 mph" and even says "nearly 70 mph", while the almost-identically-sized Orient Express only lists 50mph speed. So I do believe this is a total crapshoot. Someone break out the accelerometers & let's settle this
Back to actual Nessie discussion though, has there been any new developments on whatever this 'Rhine effect' may be? Haven't kept up enough on that point.
Back to actual Nessie discussion though, has there been any new developments on whatever this 'Rhine effect' may be? Haven't kept up enough on that point.
I’m just saying basic physics makes the 50 mph top speed impossibly low for Anaconda, by a lot, and that is provable. Our feelings don’t cancel Newtonian mechanics and the associated math.
Agreed on the rest though: indeed, perhaps we will run into each other on Nessie.
Anaconda is 144 but that drop is a slow decent.Hate to interject & reopen this discussion, but I think both of these speed figures are wrong. Anaconda's listed 50mph speed is definitely the more-wrong of the two, though. 144ft drop, you're looking at 60mph at least, probably more like ~62/63mph. The original Loch Ness Monster media fact sheet from way back in the day says it reaches "more than 60 mph" and even says "nearly 70 mph", while the almost-identically-sized Orient Express only lists 50mph speed. So I do believe this is a total crapshoot. Someone break out the accelerometers & let's settle this
Back to actual Nessie discussion though, has there been any new developments on whatever this 'Rhine effect' may be? Haven't kept up enough on that point.
To get this thread back on track…
(Excuse the pun)
It’s also been seeming to run nearly trimless into that loop too
Yep you can't hear a trim. Believe it's not there/working anymore.
You can hear it in my testing video at about 2 minutes a few posts up.
During initial test runs (especially empty trains) drop/lift trims are likely turned off for risk of valleying. Once everything is established that everything is acting the way it should, more controlled testing and cycling can take place.
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