RE: SeaWorld Concert Series Lineup Shrinking Due to 'Blackfish'
I would choose a side and stick to it. Not run away.
I would choose a side and stick to it. Not run away.
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RE: SeaWorld Concert Series Lineup Shrinking Due to 'Blackfish'
I honestly don't see a problem with these musicians removing themselves from the equation. If I was in their shoes, I would do the same. I haven't seen any of them come out and say "SeaWorld is a deplorable company and should suffer for their heinous crimes against whale-kind"- they just seem not to want to be involved. I can't blame them. This whole situation is a PR nightmare for SEAS- why would anyone want to stand anywhere near SEAS in case of collateral damage? In the grand scheme of things, I doubt theme park gigs pay all that much. From the musicians' point of view, this probably looks like a lot of risk for a very small reward.
I honestly don't see a problem with these musicians removing themselves from the equation. If I was in their shoes, I would do the same. I haven't seen any of them come out and say "SeaWorld is a deplorable company and should suffer for their heinous crimes against whale-kind"- they just seem not to want to be involved. I can't blame them. This whole situation is a PR nightmare for SEAS- why would anyone want to stand anywhere near SEAS in case of collateral damage? In the grand scheme of things, I doubt theme park gigs pay all that much. From the musicians' point of view, this probably looks like a lot of risk for a very small reward.
RE: SeaWorld Concert Series Lineup Shrinking Due to 'Blackfish'
What's PR?
And I wouldn't say it's collateral damage, it's doing the right thing morally by supporting the park.
And if it doesn't make that much, why are Blackfish fans celebrating when a band jumps out and makes headlines?
What's PR?
And I wouldn't say it's collateral damage, it's doing the right thing morally by supporting the park.
And if it doesn't make that much, why are Blackfish fans celebrating when a band jumps out and makes headlines?
RE: SeaWorld Concert Series Lineup Shrinking Due to 'Blackfish'
PR - Public Relations
PR - Public Relations
RE: SeaWorld Concert Series Lineup Shrinking Due to 'Blackfish'
The "right thing morally" is a very, very subjective idea. What you think is morally right can be radically different than what other people believe to be morally right. By avoiding the situation, they're coming as close to remaining neutral as possible in my honest opinion. I think that's what this whole discussion comes down to- whether you think backing out of a concert is a defensive or offensive measure. If the musicians were banding together and releasing massive public statements slandering SEAS, then yes, I would see this as an offensive action by these artists. I don't see that happening though- at least the majority of them seem to be backing out simply to avoid possible additional PR troubles.
The "right thing morally" is a very, very subjective idea. What you think is morally right can be radically different than what other people believe to be morally right. By avoiding the situation, they're coming as close to remaining neutral as possible in my honest opinion. I think that's what this whole discussion comes down to- whether you think backing out of a concert is a defensive or offensive measure. If the musicians were banding together and releasing massive public statements slandering SEAS, then yes, I would see this as an offensive action by these artists. I don't see that happening though- at least the majority of them seem to be backing out simply to avoid possible additional PR troubles.
RE: SeaWorld Concert Series Lineup Shrinking Due to 'Blackfish'
That is why. They just want the attention and because they are mindless followers of a misguiding movement they don't really know the payout of the concerts.
Honestly, its like when you hear a loud sound that you know your parents will punish you for so you say, Not Me! I would think its a similar situation, something big went down and they don't want to be involved with it. They aren't saying what is right or wrong, they just don't want to have to make that call.
Jonathan15 said:
That is why. They just want the attention and because they are mindless followers of a misguiding movement they don't really know the payout of the concerts.
Honestly, its like when you hear a loud sound that you know your parents will punish you for so you say, Not Me! I would think its a similar situation, something big went down and they don't want to be involved with it. They aren't saying what is right or wrong, they just don't want to have to make that call.
RE: SeaWorld Concert Series Lineup Shrinking Due to 'Blackfish'
Thanks guys for the clarification, but what's PR? And so the bands are being wussies just because they don't want to be singled out by the mindless Blackfish idiots?
Thanks guys for the clarification, but what's PR? And so the bands are being wussies just because they don't want to be singled out by the mindless Blackfish idiots?
RE: SeaWorld Concert Series Lineup Shrinking Due to 'Blackfish'
PR = Public Relations, you can refer back to Bills post on the previous page.
Jonathan15 said:
PR = Public Relations, you can refer back to Bills post on the previous page.
RE: SeaWorld Concert Series Lineup Shrinking Due to 'Blackfish'
It's more than just those who support Blackfish, it's the general public who have been seeing other bands pulling out of the event and then questioning why their favorite band hasn't done the same thing.
Like Zachary said, it's just easier to not perform and not deal with the controversy. The publicity they receive by doing that far outweighs whatever gains they would make by performing at the event at this point.
It's more than just those who support Blackfish, it's the general public who have been seeing other bands pulling out of the event and then questioning why their favorite band hasn't done the same thing.
Like Zachary said, it's just easier to not perform and not deal with the controversy. The publicity they receive by doing that far outweighs whatever gains they would make by performing at the event at this point.
RE: SeaWorld Concert Series Lineup Shrinking Due to 'Blackfish'
That really blows. So should I form a band and quit on SW too so I can be out of this controversy?
That really blows. So should I form a band and quit on SW too so I can be out of this controversy?
RE: SeaWorld Concert Series Lineup Shrinking Due to 'Blackfish'
Knock yourself out.
Knock yourself out.
RE: SeaWorld Concert Series Lineup Shrinking Due to 'Blackfish'
:angel: Yea.... Guess who wants a SW pass now?
:angel: Yea.... Guess who wants a SW pass now?
RE: SeaWorld Concert Series Lineup Shrinking Due to 'Blackfish'
FYI Blackfish is on Netflix now.
FYI Blackfish is on Netflix now.
RE: SeaWorld Concert Series Lineup Shrinking Due to 'Blackfish'
Just finished watching it, and I swear it was mostly like where did they find these people? There was a part where two women were being interviewed about an accident toward the beginning. One of them was clearly emotional while the other smiled the entire time, even during the parts that you would think she should be crying or something.
Other things that really annoyed me was the majority of the movie was with former SeaWorld trainers. Why are they former employees? Did they quit? Were they fired? Do they have a secret hatred for the place because they were fired? If they quit, why did they? Why is everyone acting like they know more about whales? How much were these people paid to be interviewed? Ever notice how CNN is behind not only the movie but the news articles about artists dropping out?
I will say there are things that SeaWorld has done that I will question; however, it is absurd that they blatantly ignore safety.
A very popular claim is the whale is swimming in basically a bathtub. This is not exactly true. Lets say you sized the whale down to typical human size, and you size the pool down as well to what would be equivalent. It looks like he mainly stays in a decent sized bedroom. Enlarging the size of the pools could be much more helpful, but it is not something to really be concerned about.
Just finished watching it, and I swear it was mostly like where did they find these people? There was a part where two women were being interviewed about an accident toward the beginning. One of them was clearly emotional while the other smiled the entire time, even during the parts that you would think she should be crying or something.
Other things that really annoyed me was the majority of the movie was with former SeaWorld trainers. Why are they former employees? Did they quit? Were they fired? Do they have a secret hatred for the place because they were fired? If they quit, why did they? Why is everyone acting like they know more about whales? How much were these people paid to be interviewed? Ever notice how CNN is behind not only the movie but the news articles about artists dropping out?
I will say there are things that SeaWorld has done that I will question; however, it is absurd that they blatantly ignore safety.
A very popular claim is the whale is swimming in basically a bathtub. This is not exactly true. Lets say you sized the whale down to typical human size, and you size the pool down as well to what would be equivalent. It looks like he mainly stays in a decent sized bedroom. Enlarging the size of the pools could be much more helpful, but it is not something to really be concerned about.
RE: SeaWorld Concert Series Lineup Shrinking Due to 'Blackfish'
I think where I disagree is that I don't see publicly pulling out of a concert as a judgment-free action; I believe the decision is effectively a signal of support, whether it is meant that way or not. These artists all made a choice to back out actively from a planned event. It strikes me a symbolic speech, and clearly they are backing in some way the view that Sea World has done something wrong.
I admit that they are in a difficult position: either choice is tacit support of one side or the other. I believe the only responsible solution is to investigate the accusations and make an informed decision based on that research. I do NOT believe basing the decision entirely on public pressure is fair to either side of the debate.
Are you any more qualified to make this assessment than the people in the video?
Zachary said:
I think where I disagree is that I don't see publicly pulling out of a concert as a judgment-free action; I believe the decision is effectively a signal of support, whether it is meant that way or not. These artists all made a choice to back out actively from a planned event. It strikes me a symbolic speech, and clearly they are backing in some way the view that Sea World has done something wrong.
I admit that they are in a difficult position: either choice is tacit support of one side or the other. I believe the only responsible solution is to investigate the accusations and make an informed decision based on that research. I do NOT believe basing the decision entirely on public pressure is fair to either side of the debate.
Party Rocker said:
Are you any more qualified to make this assessment than the people in the video?
RE: SeaWorld Concert Series Lineup Shrinking Due to 'Blackfish'
Let's run down the list shall we?
1) These people had no issue playing and taking SEAS money before. Hypocritical, kinda like stealing from the cookie for a long time then claiming innocent when they are caught
2) Let's be real, this so called documentary is more fiction that non-fiction. It was set up to make the lady money, and only to make her money, and money at any cost.
3) This does not hurt SEAS at the end of the day, the bulk of this will blow over. The real danger these reckless so called artists are creating are chopping funds to take care of the animals. What Miss I'm gonna get rich quick of this knows. She chose her bank account over these animals.
4) So much of that movie was hacked to bits and left so much context out that it is pathetic.
5) There are aquariums and zoos with real issues around the country. Go after SW to make a statement? No. Go after corporate America. It is not hard to see what side of the aisle promotes this film and their issues with big companies are no secret.
Zachary said:
Let's run down the list shall we?
1) These people had no issue playing and taking SEAS money before. Hypocritical, kinda like stealing from the cookie for a long time then claiming innocent when they are caught
2) Let's be real, this so called documentary is more fiction that non-fiction. It was set up to make the lady money, and only to make her money, and money at any cost.
3) This does not hurt SEAS at the end of the day, the bulk of this will blow over. The real danger these reckless so called artists are creating are chopping funds to take care of the animals. What Miss I'm gonna get rich quick of this knows. She chose her bank account over these animals.
4) So much of that movie was hacked to bits and left so much context out that it is pathetic.
5) There are aquariums and zoos with real issues around the country. Go after SW to make a statement? No. Go after corporate America. It is not hard to see what side of the aisle promotes this film and their issues with big companies are no secret.
RE: SeaWorld Concert Series Lineup Shrinking Due to 'Blackfish'
At this point, Sea World is better off just scrapping the band concept and focusing more on the food/alcohol. If any bands want to stick with event, then let them play. Otherwise, expand the original Bud & BBQ concept into a sort of Food & Wine festival type thing. Have local BBQ joints serve up samplings of their most popular dishes and a few local breweries (and AB) distribute samplings of their beer.
It'll be a bigger incentive for people to come to the park amidst all this controversy.
At this point, Sea World is better off just scrapping the band concept and focusing more on the food/alcohol. If any bands want to stick with event, then let them play. Otherwise, expand the original Bud & BBQ concept into a sort of Food & Wine festival type thing. Have local BBQ joints serve up samplings of their most popular dishes and a few local breweries (and AB) distribute samplings of their beer.
It'll be a bigger incentive for people to come to the park amidst all this controversy.
RE: SeaWorld Concert Series Lineup Shrinking Due to 'Blackfish'
I like that idea. Maybe a beer tasting kind of event. I think there are enough "Food and Wine" events, and there is a market for interesting beer.
I like that idea. Maybe a beer tasting kind of event. I think there are enough "Food and Wine" events, and there is a market for interesting beer.
RE: SeaWorld Concert Series Lineup Shrinking Due to 'Blackfish'
I agree. Scrap the bands and bring on the food!
I agree. Scrap the bands and bring on the food!
RE: SeaWorld Concert Series Lineup Shrinking Due to 'Blackfish'
Add another to the list.
6 of the 12 bands have now dropped out (Willie Nelson, Cheap Trick, HEART, Barenaked Ladies, REO Speedwagon, and Trisha Yearwood). It's also worth noting that Screamscape is reporting that Coke is under pressure to cut off their sponsorship deal and I've seen Southwest Airlines getting a lot of heat too. The bands aren't a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but if SEAS loses just one of their corporate sponsors (or, even worse, one leaves and triggers a domino effect), that could have very far-reaching effects...
Add another to the list.
6 of the 12 bands have now dropped out (Willie Nelson, Cheap Trick, HEART, Barenaked Ladies, REO Speedwagon, and Trisha Yearwood). It's also worth noting that Screamscape is reporting that Coke is under pressure to cut off their sponsorship deal and I've seen Southwest Airlines getting a lot of heat too. The bands aren't a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but if SEAS loses just one of their corporate sponsors (or, even worse, one leaves and triggers a domino effect), that could have very far-reaching effects...