If you can get it use it. Screw those waiting. I only feel bad using ADA when something is on 1 train and the line is long.
Accessibility Accomodations Abuse
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"those waiting" is the rest of us lol. this attitude has destroyed the amusement park experience. everyone has an exception for themselves
Feel free to move this to pointless discussions if needed but... Aaaaaand here we go... The whole reason I hate using it and feel like an asshole even though I genuinely need it. All thanks to the people who choose to shame ADA users over something that's almost always out of their control.
Merlin made the right move and then were shamed into backing down
if ur attitude is "screw those waiting," regardless of what reason ur using the ADA line, then u should feel like an asshole. able-bodied people aren't your enemy and they paid just as much as u, if not more in the case of Fast Lane, to be there. ur allowed to use the system as u please, but I don't have to believe every person making use of it is inherently "deserving"
if ur attitude is "screw those waiting," regardless of what reason ur using the ADA line, then u should feel like an asshole. able-bodied people aren't your enemy and they paid just as much as u, if not more in the case of Fast Lane, to be there. ur allowed to use the system as u please, but I don't have to believe every person making use of it is inherently "deserving"
I never ever said screw those waiting, nor do I fully agree with that sentiment. I more agreed with the point that if I'm eligible to use it I should use it. The ENTIRE REASON I do not like using it is the scrutiny from the people waiting and the natural shame that the ADA users get.
the "natural shame," in my experience, is nothing above and beyond the looks i get using my passholder fast lane. it sucks to NOT have a benefit like that and watch your opportunity to ride get taken by someone in the fast lane or an ADA rider or anyone else not using the main queue. I don't go around policing other people's feelings about my usage of Fast Lane, I just use it
If someone has been able to get an ADA then they should be able to use it without your cringelord ass belittling them. KD is one of the few that make you acrually show why you need it vs just telling them. Why do you hate the handicap? They didn't tear down your precious Ka
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u know so little about me ur burns just kinda missed. it's cute that you think "handicap" is a monolith that u feel the need to defend, but even then, the parks can't defend u from "looks" or the general perception that you're being favored. Because you are being favored, whether you feel it's righteous or deserved or not, so I don't really know how they'd dispel that
"looks" and "general perception" do not matter. Obviously there's going to be some pushback from some people, but it's fine as long as people aren't deliberately belittling a disability.
Those are deffiently words. Im going back to muting you lmao
Did I confront you at the park and demand to see your "disability pass?" No. Is that something I would defend? No (unless a ride op asked of course). I'm just saying it's not an actionable complaint that your usage of a particular system is subject to 'scrutiny' (read: perception) from other guests, and it's a losing argument to claim there are 0 benefits for users over a non-ADA riding experience. If that were true the program would not exist. I don't understand how or why that's so bothersome
I’m going to side with Northdetective on this one. I don’t really understand muting him for his opinion either…
The ADA system at most parks sucks, and there’s no denying that it can greatly benefit the people using it. And for the people who genuinely need the accommodation? Great. That’s literally what the system is there for.
The problem is the people who only get one when the line is long, or who bring a group of 5+ friends along with them simply because the pass applies to the whole group. If someone genuinely cannot wait in a traditional queue, absolutely, accommodate them. But if you are physically capable of waiting in the line and are using ADA primarily to avoid a 30, 60, or 90 minute wait, I don’t think that’s what the system was intended for.
And honestly, the parks deserve some blame here too. They don’t do nearly enough to prevent abuse, but they also don’t do a great job making the ADA process seamless for everyone else.
Take row assignments, for example. If an ADA guest wants row 1, why does the grouper need to hold up the entire operation or make everyone else wait for that row? Just skip row 1, fill the rest of the train, and let the ADA group load at the same time as everyone else.
Universal does this really well. If a group of six using an accommodation wants the back two rows of Hulk, they can radio the grouper, the grouper simply leaves those rows empty, and the ADA group loads at the same time as everyone else. Nobody has to stand there watching a group “cut” through the queue, and operations aren’t unnecessarily disrupted.
That also eliminates a lot of the perception problem.
And yes, I know “line anxiety” is a real thing for some people. But I think it has become an incredibly broad excuse for ADA accommodations. Everyone standing in a 30+ minute line gets tired. Everyone gets uncomfortable. Everyone gets anxious when they’re standing in a packed queue for an hour.
That doesn’t automatically mean someone needs an ADA accommodation.
There are also absolutely people in the enthusiast community who will look at a 90 minute wait, go ride something with a 20 minute wait, and then use their accommodation to come back and effectively bypass that 90 minute line. I’ve seen it happen way too often.
So no, I don’t think every ADA user is abusing the system. I don’t think people should be questioned about their disabilities. And I don’t think someone should be made to feel guilty for legitimately using an accommodation.
But pretending there is no abuse, or that the current system doesn’t give some people a significant advantage over the standby guest, is just ignoring reality.
The solution isn’t getting rid of ADA accommodations. The solution is making sure they’re being used for the people who actually need them, while designing the system so legitimate ADA guests can be accommodated without unnecessarily disrupting everyone else’s experience.
The ADA system at most parks sucks, and there’s no denying that it can greatly benefit the people using it. And for the people who genuinely need the accommodation? Great. That’s literally what the system is there for.
The problem is the people who only get one when the line is long, or who bring a group of 5+ friends along with them simply because the pass applies to the whole group. If someone genuinely cannot wait in a traditional queue, absolutely, accommodate them. But if you are physically capable of waiting in the line and are using ADA primarily to avoid a 30, 60, or 90 minute wait, I don’t think that’s what the system was intended for.
And honestly, the parks deserve some blame here too. They don’t do nearly enough to prevent abuse, but they also don’t do a great job making the ADA process seamless for everyone else.
Take row assignments, for example. If an ADA guest wants row 1, why does the grouper need to hold up the entire operation or make everyone else wait for that row? Just skip row 1, fill the rest of the train, and let the ADA group load at the same time as everyone else.
Universal does this really well. If a group of six using an accommodation wants the back two rows of Hulk, they can radio the grouper, the grouper simply leaves those rows empty, and the ADA group loads at the same time as everyone else. Nobody has to stand there watching a group “cut” through the queue, and operations aren’t unnecessarily disrupted.
That also eliminates a lot of the perception problem.
And yes, I know “line anxiety” is a real thing for some people. But I think it has become an incredibly broad excuse for ADA accommodations. Everyone standing in a 30+ minute line gets tired. Everyone gets uncomfortable. Everyone gets anxious when they’re standing in a packed queue for an hour.
That doesn’t automatically mean someone needs an ADA accommodation.
There are also absolutely people in the enthusiast community who will look at a 90 minute wait, go ride something with a 20 minute wait, and then use their accommodation to come back and effectively bypass that 90 minute line. I’ve seen it happen way too often.
So no, I don’t think every ADA user is abusing the system. I don’t think people should be questioned about their disabilities. And I don’t think someone should be made to feel guilty for legitimately using an accommodation.
But pretending there is no abuse, or that the current system doesn’t give some people a significant advantage over the standby guest, is just ignoring reality.
The solution isn’t getting rid of ADA accommodations. The solution is making sure they’re being used for the people who actually need them, while designing the system so legitimate ADA guests can be accommodated without unnecessarily disrupting everyone else’s experience.
Northdetective, out of curiosity, do you also look on with judgment at people who use handicap parking spaces without a glaring visible ailment?
Then I assume they were acquired legitimately and accept the fact that my extra 20 feet of walking is not something I am entitled to skip ? That's not really an equivalent situation when ADA groups take up as much capacity as they do. I've never seen a lot that's 25% handicap spots, and people who use handicap parking are generally in favor of enforcement because other people do abuse the parking spots
Alright, sorry for stirring all this up. As for @RollyCoaster ’s points, yes, multiple people using it is very annoying, but due to my disability, it is hard for me to stand for long periods of time so I disagree with the point of people using it just to skip 30+ min waits bc they may actually need it. Let’s all just move on. I’ll make sure to not use it going forward.
Yea im done with this lol if the system exists use it. Its the parks fault not mine they wrote it the way they did. Dont hate the player hate the game 
nobody asked u to change ur behaviors and I'd be alarmed if my commentary had such an immediate effect on your decisions
Its the parks fault not mine they wrote it the way they did. Dont hate the player hate the game
no I think I'll just hate on the overly entitled players when they come out to take pride in their manipulative tactics and adversarial attitudes AND simultaneously demand that strangers on the internet tell them they're worthy of exceptional treatment
If you go to a theme park by yourself without a wheelchair or other mobility assistance, and claim you’re unable to stand in a line for 30 minutes, but have no issue getting from one end of the park to the other in less than 10 minutes to get the “last ride of the night” on something, how exactly is that different from waiting in a line?
If you’re capable of walking around the park for extended periods but are using the system specifically to avoid waiting in a queue so you can ride other rides while your virtual queue time is ready, that’s abusing the system, and it’s just wrong. That’s not “playing the game”.
If you’re capable of walking around the park for extended periods but are using the system specifically to avoid waiting in a queue so you can ride other rides while your virtual queue time is ready, that’s abusing the system, and it’s just wrong. That’s not “playing the game”.