Verbolten

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Manufacturer
ZIERER

Model
Elevated Seating Coaster w/ Vertical Drop Element

Hamlet
Oktoberfest (Germany)

Official Opening
May 18, 2012

Soft Opening
May 11, 2012

Tallest Drop
88ft


Top Speed
53mph

Inversion Count
0

Launch Segments
2

Riders Per Train
16

Number of Trains
5

Height Requirement
48in



Verbolten is an indoor/outdoor ZIERER Elevated Seating Coaster that features a Vertical Drop Element. It officially opened in mid-May 2012 on the site formally occupied by the Arrow Suspended Coaster, Big Bad Wolf.


Videos​

Development Documentary​

Ride Recordings​

On-Ride Videos​

Backstage Footage​

 
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vacoasterfan229 said:
Ive realized lately that the finale has become very rough, especially on the blue train. It feels like the guide wheels are bouncing between the rails. Im starting to wish that this was built by Mack or Intamin.
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Ever since May 2012, I have thought that Blue was rougher than the rest
 
vacoasterfan229 said:
I wonder if the footers have something to do with the rattle. They are really old because they were used for big bad wolf.
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If they're engineered correctly, probably not - they'd be fairly stable, it'd be anything built on top of them that's questionable.

From all indications the rattle seems to be caused by the trains - perhaps that Zierer was out of their wheelhouse with the bogey design and/or maintenance hasn't replaced certain parts that keep the wheels much more snug to the track to save costs?
 
Jonesta6 said:
If they're engineered correctly, probably not - they'd be fairly stable, it'd be anything built on top of them that's questionable.

From all indications the rattle seems to be caused by the trains - perhaps that Zierer was out of their wheelhouse with the bogey design and/or maintenance hasn't replaced certain parts that keep the wheels much more snug to the track to save costs?
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I would guess that there is slightly more slop on Blue compared to the others where the wheels touch the track. It has always been there so it isn't anything that changed recently. Gotten worse, maybe, but always there. Also, vibration always wears parts faster so they are probably going though parts more often than if it was correct.
 
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vacoasterfanatic said:
i was mistaken, THESE are the same types of trains as bolt, used on some random family coaster. either way verbolten is still essentially using trains designed for far less forceful coasters. hell verbolten pulls grey out forces.
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Just because there are kids sitting on the train doesn't mean the train isn't designed properly for specific conditions. PTCs are used on Twister and Knoebels and Racer and Kennywood -- the way I see it is that Racer has a train suited for more than it's forces while you, for some reason, would say that Twister has trains that can't handle the forces of Twister because they are used on a ride without forces as well.
 
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vacoasterfanatic said:
at least at the bottom of the drop some of that profiling is all kinds of messed up
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This is really BGW's fault, not Zierer's. BGW REQUIRED the design to reuse Big Bad Wolf's footers and original Rhine drop path. If you think about how a suspended coaster is supported for just a fraction of a second, you can immediately understand why that's such an absurd position. It was likely a physical impossibility for Zierer to design something much better given the constraints BGW placed on that section of the project.

Zierer is responsible for the ride's rattle which I definitely do think is worthy of criticism. Just don't judge Zierer for any of the layout work past the bridge—they were just following instructions. The parts of the layout where Zierer actually was more in charge (the event building especially) show how great they really are at this stuff.
 
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Zachary said:
This is really BGW's fault, not Zierer's. BGW REQUIRED the design to reuse Big Bad Wolf's footers and original Rhine drop path. If you think about how a suspended coaster is supported for just a fraction of a second, you can immediately understand why that's such an absurd position. It was likely a physical impossibility for Zierer to design something much better given the constraints BGW placed on that section of the project.

Zierer is responsible for the ride's rattle which I definitely do think is worthy of criticism. Just don't judge Zierer for any of the layout work past the bridge—they were just following instructions. The parts of the layout where Zierer actually was more in charge (the event building especially) show how great they really are at this stuff.
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Zierer is an underrated manufacturer, at least in my opinion. The rides they primarily produce are kiddie coasters, so their larger scale projects, such as this, are not going to be perfect. They’ve perfected their kiddie coaster, now they need to perfect their larger models and they should be set. I also find the trains on Verbolten to be quite comfy as well.
 
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Zachary said:
This is really BGW's fault, not Zierer's. BGW REQUIRED the design to reuse Big Bad Wolf's footers and original Rhine drop path. If you think about how a suspended coaster is supported for just a fraction of a second, you can immediately understand why that's such an absurd position. It was likely a physical impossibility for Zierer to design something much better given the constraints BGW placed on that section of the project.

Zierer is responsible for the ride's rattle which I definitely do think is worthy of criticism. Just don't judge Zierer for any of the layout work past the bridge—they were just following instructions. The parts of the layout where Zierer actually was more in charge (the event building especially) show how great they really are at this stuff.
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So very well said. I also do not buy BGWs reasoning of “unable to touch the footers” as to why this can’t be done.

However, it also begs me to question: Why did they land on that drop height, location, and angle. Lowering items and raising others, starting the drop a bit further back, or even maybe doing the supports differently on the same block could have helped out.
 
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warfelg said:
So very well said. I also do not buy BGWs reasoning of “unable to touch the footers” as to why this can’t be done.

However, it also begs me to question: Why did they land on that drop height, location, and angle. Lowering items and raising others, starting the drop a bit further back, or even maybe doing the supports differently on the same block could have helped out.
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Idk if I’m alone on this but I kinda wish there was a bit of a twisted speed hill between those two turns on the rhine
 
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The wonky profiling that was a result of using footers meant for a below-the-track coaster is another reason why making the outdoor section so fast was a mistake.
 
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SLC Headache said:
The wonky profiling that was a result of using footers meant for a below-the-track coaster is another reason why making the outdoor section so fast was a mistake.
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Youre complaining that the outdoor section is fast? The worlds slowest launch is fast?
 
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Zachary said:
This is really BGW's fault, not Zierer's. BGW REQUIRED the design to reuse Big Bad Wolf's footers and original Rhine drop path. If you think about how a suspended coaster is supported for just a fraction of a second, you can immediately understand why that's such an absurd position. It was likely a physical impossibility for Zierer to design something much better given the constraints BGW placed on that section of the project.

Zierer is responsible for the ride's rattle which I definitely do think is worthy of criticism. Just don't judge Zierer for any of the layout work past the bridge—they were just following instructions. The parts of the layout where Zierer actually was more in charge (the event building especially) show how great they really are at this stuff.
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I agree with you 90% here. The one thing that I think is worth noting is that the only place I ever really (at least heavily, anyway) noticed a rattle at all was this specific section. It's possible that the rattle is the result of Zierer needing to use track shaping that they otherwise wouldn't have which could have led to this result. I'm not an engineer so I can't say this with absolute confidence but it seems like the rattle may not be fully on Zierer especially if you're also conceding that they were working with extreme constraints placed on them by the park.
 
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