Verbolten (Project Announcement Fall 2011 Through Opening Discussion August 2012)

[Zachary]

RE: Verbolten

Disclaimer: I have yet to ride it so I'm not going to defend the ride or any of its elements but I do feel the need to defend the reasoning behind it.

$54 million is about on par with other rides of its type. I hate to bring Revenge of the Mummy back into this, but it was $45 million almost a decade ago. The park had a large hole in its lineup after the Wolf left and at the very least, the concept of Verbolten fills that hole perfectly.

1) In my defense, Nessie is also over 100ft.
2) We actually don't have any diving loops. Diving loops enter at the top while immelmanns (the reverse of a diving loop) enter from the bottom (Griffon: 2x | Alpengeist: 1x). I understand what you're saying though. We have 10 inversions split up among 3 of our 6 coasters. The remaining 3 are Apollo's Chariot (B&M Hyper- focuses on airtime), Grover's Alpine Express (kiddy coaster), and now Verbolten (darkride coaster). I believe that rounds out our collection quite well to be perfectly honest. That is just my opinion though.
3) Would be great if it wasn't aimed at the family. When people talk about other darkride coasters, they don't talk about specs and records, they talk about the ride experience.
4) Don't worry about it- not taking any of this personally.
5) Indeed. Sorry about questioning that, it just almost looked like you dodged that question above.

I'll hold off on debating the actual ride experience till after I have ridden it.

 

[pandorazboxx]

RE: Verbolten

This ride is about as intense as big bad wolf was. (going off memory here) BBW had the first hill, two helices and the Rhine drop. Verbolten has that, plus a drop in the building, launched, and the extra little hump at the end, not to mention, no OTSR and all the theming. I haven't ridden it yet, but this ride has been advertised as a replacement for BBW and I think the park delivered in that aspect.

 

[reg31miller]

RE: Verbolten

Ive never been on the Revenge of the Mummy so I really dont know how to compare it to that. I dont think youTube does a good job of showing most of these "Dark Rides" due to the video quality thats needed to appreciate everything about those rides.

Thanks Swfitman...and I hope my remarks didnt come across as degrading to anyone...all I did was simply state my opinion which obviously was a little different and I instantly have been bashed for it obviously by multiple other people.

I do actually really like BG and have been at least 30 times (8 times in the past year and a half due to buying a platinum pass to go visit the sister park in Tampa as well) through out my life. I have seen it when the only coasters were Nesse and BBW to were it is now. And for those that dont remember when BBW opened it sure wasnt a "kiddie ride" ...it was a ride testing the boundaries of its time...over time it became more of a "family ride" because of Alpengheist, Apollos Chariot and Griffon all being built....


oh yeah...the reverse dive loop Im referring to is generally on flying coasters like Manta, Tatsu, Superman Ultimate Flight.....guessing thats actually called a "pretzel loop" ??

 

[Brandon]

RE: Verbolten

Come on, guys. All he's guilty of is an opinion. Let up a little.

 

[SamWalkerOBX]

RE: Verbolten

My ride along video from today's media event...I'll have more, including interviews with park officials posted at The Outer Banks Voice by early Thursday.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuFpelUhJHE

 

[HAJiME]

RE: Verbolten

50mph is lame?

Nemesis
Revenge of the Mummy
Phoenix

Okay so I can't think of any other well received coasters 50mph and under, but the point is speed doesn't really matter. No singular thing matters when it comes to making a good ride, it's a combination of factors.

Revenge of the Mummy is an extraordinary ride, and it feels super insane fast... I personally think Verbolten also does in the indoor section and that it's launches have a surprising kick to them. It's no Intamin rocket coaster, but who cares, so bored of those samey things anyway. I'd much rather have a ride like Verbolten which has weight passed a gimmick.

There are plenty of fast rides out there that feel sloooow too. Speed is very subjective. It doesn't feel like you're going 500mph in an aeroplane, does it?

I dunno why you guys, as mostly locals, aren't all just thrilled to have something different regardless of how you actually rate it. Typically that's my response when a park in the UK gets something... "Oh good! Something I've not experienced before! Yay!" Cuz however good B&M inverted coasters consistently are, they get boring and samey after you've been on about 5...

 

[BBW]

RE: Verbolten

... I dunno why you guys, as mostly locals, aren't all just thrilled to have something different regardless of how you actually rate it. Typically that's my response when a park in the UK gets something... "Oh good! Something I've not experienced before! Yay!" Cuz however good B&M inverted coasters consistently are, they get boring and samey after you've been on about 5...

How sad, to have to feel thrilled just because something is new/different. Sorry, I gotta actually LIKE it for what it is, not just like the shiny new toy regardless of whether it's any good. Though I do like Verbolten, btw, but really, I can't imagine being impressed solely by novelty for novelty's sake.

 

[BnMrules]

RE: Verbolten

Just wondering, where does the storyline go after the car falls off the bridge? It seems to me, unless I missed something, that BGW just left the storyline hanging, and the car just magically reaches the station without reason .

 

[David]

RE: Verbolten

And for those that dont remember when BBW opened it sure wasnt a "kiddie ride" ...it was a ride testing the boundaries of its time...over time it became more of a "family ride" because of Alpengheist, Apollos Chariot and Griffon all being built....

Exactly, it wasn't a "kiddie ride" but what did it become over time? A "family ride" and the park needed another family ride to replace what they lost. It helps the park have a well-rounded, quality selection of coasters. I'd much prefer VBolt over a 400ft mega-parking lot coaster. This ride might not be mind-blowing, but it is very innovative and does push boundaries in it's own right.

 

[redsoxfan787]

RE: Verbolten

Is verbolten really worth waiting in the long lines this weekend? Or should I hold off a bit untill things cool down?

 

[reg31miller]

RE: Verbolten

And for those that dont remember when BBW opened it sure wasnt a "kiddie ride" ...it was a ride testing the boundaries of its time...over time it became more of a "family ride" because of Alpengheist, Apollos Chariot and Griffon all being built....

Exactly, it wasn't a "kiddie ride" but what did it become over time? A "family ride" and the park needed another family ride to replace what they lost. It helps the park have a well-rounded, quality selection of coasters. I'd much prefer VBolt over a 400ft mega-parking lot coaster. This ride might not be mind-blowing, but it is very innovative and does push boundaries in it's own right.

The only boundary that got pushed was the drop track and even that had already been done. The only thing that this ride has that is never before seen is three different scenarios inside the event building.

1) The blast technology is REALLY OLD... Volcano and Outer Limits were built long ago with that technology not to mention the many others. ****shhhhhh dont tell anyone...I actually like BG Alpengheist better than Volcano...Im sure thats a shocker
2) Helix spins are old (*cough* Grover Coaster *cough*)
The same drop down to the Rhine River is used (not complaining just stating its not new)
3) The drop track was previously already on other coasters to in fact...the only thing they did was thankfully make it a little more free falling compared to the other ride I saw that had one were it slowly lowered the ride down.

Is that enough facts? Would really hate to get another negative comment since I dont ever put facts about the ride up ever..... :angel:

 

[Parkgoer]

RE: Verbolten

Is verbolten really worth waiting in the long lines this weekend? Or should I hold off a bit untill things cool down?

After twelve rides on it... it is worth it.

 

[BBW]

RE: Verbolten

I don't know whether it pushes any boundaries or not, but for me it is a fun, immersive experience that has enough thrills to be worth riding but is still a ride most of my friends and family will be willing to go on, plus interesting and fun enough to be re-rideable, particularly with the different available scenarios in the event building. Boundary-pushing alone isn't the point for me, but fun is, and I think Vbolt has fun in spades.

If that doesn't work for others, I can certainly understand that, but I don't think it was intended to be a record breaker in any one category so much as an immersive fun ride appealing to many. Kind of like being an all-arounder rather than a specialist. And the combination of things it does -- themeing, the drop, the different scenarios -- is pretty amazing, I think.

 

[David]

RE: Verbolten

Is that enough facts? Would really hate to get another negative comment since I dont ever put facts about the ride up ever..... :angel:

ICWUTUDIDTHUR.

I will say, it's no problem to have an opinion. It's when you slam a ride just because it's not a 300ft vertical launch coaster, that people start to become alittle annoyed. This is a family coaster replacing a family coaster. BGW already has 3 other coasters for those who want something more intense. More will come, but the park needs something between Grover's and Apollo. This is the perfect step. At the end of the day, it's a family park, not a thrill junkies get away.

BTW, yes you have some facts now. The post that everyone is hating on did not. Once you were corrected, you got a little upset. The rep is for feedback. No one is hating on you because you don't like the ride, it's the fact that you are comparing it to rides of a completely different intent/design/focus group that is the issue.

BTW, Welcome to the forums.

 

[HAJiME]

RE: Verbolten

Just wondering, where does the storyline go after the car falls off the bridge? It seems to me, unless I missed something, that BGW just left the storyline hanging, and the car just magically reaches the station without reason .

I think the best story telling on rides is to leave them open. Otherwise it can feel forced and awkward, ya know? Plus it leaves room for the guests to invent their own narrative. To me the general gist is that you narrowly escaped with your mad drivin' skillz.

How sad, to have to feel thrilled just because something is new/different. Sorry, I gotta actually LIKE it for what it is, not just like the shiny new toy regardless of whether it's any good. Though I do like Verbolten, btw, but really, I can't imagine being impressed solely by novelty for novelty's sake.

No need for the attitude. But it's not really novelty I'm talking about, it's the thrill of riding something that you have no idea how it's going to feel. With Verbolten NO one knew what to expect. That's exciting! No?

The only boundary that got pushed was the drop track and even that had already been done...

Verbolten pushes boundaries by being one of very few narrative heavy coasters out there. It's part of a group of rides that Expedition Everest and Revenge of the Mummy belong to. It's a big deal for a park who isn't Disney or Universal to invest in such a thing, and a great risk too. It also pushes boundaries by having such a wide audience, theming standard and combining exciting elements together in a way that's never been done before. It sets an example that there's more to entertaining people with roller coasters than taking them up 200ft and dropping them.

 

[Skippy]

RE: Verbolten

I can't give a final say until I've ridden it myself but both the track layout and on-ride theming look pretty underwhelming. Not sure I'm going to make a trip just for this, so who knows when I'll be able to judge it for myself but I'm glad I kept expectations low.

On a serious note, how the heck did they spend 50 million on this? Unions? It looks more like 30-35 million tops.

 

[David]

RE: Verbolten

I can't give a final say until I've ridden it myself but both the track layout and on-ride theming look pretty underwhelming. Not sure I'm going to make a trip just for this, so who knows when I'll be able to judge it for myself but I'm glad I kept expectations low.

On a serious note, how the heck did they spend 50 million on this? Unions? It looks more like 30-35 million tops.

So where exactly would they put some more theming at.....? Just curious.

 

[jam426]

RE: Verbolten

Ok I know I shouldnt be asking this but I'm freaking out and as many times as Ive been to BGW i want to make sure everyone agrees haha on Friday When the park opens i should "bolt" towards pompeii and through italy and over the bridge to get there fastest correct?? And does anyone know if its possible to wait outside around 9 or so?? I appreciate it guys and have long loved these forums <3

 

[Bring Back Questor 87]

RE: Verbolten

I'm sorry, I just have a soft spot for the fact that Busch poured a lot of effort into this and that it was being downplayed as some overpriced, half-witted effort when it's clearly the total opposite of that. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, I just hope its one formed in an objective, contextual manner.

I am driving from Northern VA to BG tomorrow, and will ride for the first time knowing this is a family coaster in place of a classic family coaster.

I305, Millennium Force, and Kingda Ka all have their place, Verbolten and the likes have theirs. That's the beauty of having different types of ride experiences for different types of people seeking a certain thrill. I hope all of us can enjoy this ride and comment on it constructively, knowing its proper purpose and design parameters, so that an entertaining sharing of ideas and discourse can continue.

That being said, who is excited for Friday!?

 

[Shafor]

RE: Verbolten

Ok I know I shouldnt be asking this but I'm freaking out and as many times as Ive been to BGW i want to make sure everyone agrees haha on Friday When the park opens i should "bolt" towards pompeii and through italy and over the bridge to get there fastest correct?? And does anyone know if its possible to wait outside around 9 or so?? I appreciate it guys and have long loved these forums <3

Yes, that is the most direct route. No one is certain about if/how they will stagger the country openings though.

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Really ...a negative reputation point?? Are we like in grade school here? I guess I am not entitled to an opinion at all?

Yeah, really. Not cool guys. :dodgy: