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Cedarva said:
Is that the goal - to ruin a good thing, or is a personal vendetta and resulting "chaos" the grander solution ?

Cedarva you should know that I have no personal vendetta what so ever. I'm just a regular fan, I have no inside sources, I'm just your average BGW fan. Now I don't want anything to happen to this site, and I have no intention to hurt it. I just wanted to bring some proof into the conversation. It may not have been the most solid proof, but none the less it was proof. You maybe one of those people who needs rock solid proof to believe something, but I don't. And so I have the right to believe that SDG is telling the truth. And you have the right to not believe what he says, or just stay on the fence. However, I was just trying to bring proof into the conversation. I wasn't trying to start drama or anything, just show the forums some proof.
 
Just to point this out there, we are in the RUMORS forum. Regardless of SDG's wording, by placing his thread in Rumors I would take that as a disclaimer that this thread is mostly rumors that can't solidly be proven.

Also, the Entertainment industry by it's very nature is not a promising industry at all. It is very hard to get jobs and then to get jobs consistently unless you are a very well known name. Because for the most part, these shows are just really "projects". Once they are over with for the season, you lose your job practically and are in need of a new one. This is how the industry works on the daily. It should be expected.

Now personally, I am leaning more towards SDG's posts because it does match a few things I have heard. I am still on the fence because I have heard good and bad about the department the past five or so years. However, should SDG be correct entirely, it really is heinous. Although I will say this wouldn't be the first time the park has put team members in a dangerous conditions, especially the entertainment department.

I have heard, seen, and experienced some of the worst conditions in the entertainment department firsthand. The department is very all over the place. Their goal is to get things done by the deadline (no pun intended). They ignore other departments, and I would go so far as to say they rule the park to an extent. Think of Entertainment as the playground bully.

That is my own personal take on the department, and not the lower paid employees, but the upper management pay grade.

Now should SDG's claims prove false, I wouldn't be too surprised as the park does have high standards.

In the end, there is always some truth behind every rumor.
 
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Honestly, I never knew the guy, but I suspect this is just a ploy to attract more well known performers to the park so they can attract guests to the shows because some well known person is in it versus it being a good show. So this could in theory be bad for the quality of park shows.

Or it could attract a more diverse group of performers and bring in better performers.

The possibilities are endless.
 
But all of this information is posted right here on the internet! I must believe it, it has to be true, right?
Just for the record, I have seen and been a part of dealings like this in theater. When you have a long running show or tour, sometimes a new producer comes on or they want to "freshen" the show up with new faces. Sometimes if conditions are bad and there are a lot of complaints, the producers and/or director will threaten to recast to keep the fear in place. Theater is cutthroat man.
 
Whispers, I heard something about her before and how well liked she was.

For those who do not know who whispers is taking about: She was VP of Entertainment and worked at the park for many years.

Whispers, I know someone passed away recently that was high up in Entertainment in the past.. is wasn't her I hope?
 
Nora said:
Whispers, I heard something about her before and how well liked she was.

For those who do not know who whispers is taking about: She was VP of Entertainment and worked at the park for many years.

Whispers, I know someone passed away recently that was high up in Entertainment in the past.. is wasn't her I hope?

Linda Cuddihy, as far as I know is still living. The only big names in the entertainment department I know that have died recently, are Emile Trimble, and Wally Coberg. Emile Trimble was a former entertainment department manager, who worked for the park for 25 years. Wally Coberg was a well-known set designer. He was most known for his work on Abbeystone Theatre productions. Some of his work can be found on his company's Facebook page here. It is very sad, and almost everybody involved with developing Ireland, has either retired, or started their own company.
 
If you love Killarney Kommotion then you will love the new "direction" the park is going. KK was directed by Karma Camp, who is helping Bob Cline recast the park's performers.
 
CastleOSullivan said:
Emile Trimble was a former entertainment department manager, who worked for the park for 25 years.

Emile...that is who it was. I heard about someone passing away in Entertainment recently and I always am sad to hear when someone who brought so much joy to others is no longer here with us. People behind the scenes rarely get remembered by the General Public. It would be nice if Busch Gardens posted a little memorial on their Facebook or Blog when someone who works for the park as long as she did passes away.

Thanks for the info.
 
wyldekat said:
If you love Killarney Kommotion then you will love the new "direction" the park is going. KK was directed by Karma Camp, who is helping Bob Cline recast the park's performers.

I don't believe that is enough concern that the park is headed in this KK way. Like mentioned previously, the entertainment business is rough and tough. People who perform better get the job, why stick with the same old when fresh new better talent can be sought out.

With that said, if London Rocks turns out like KK then I might be more inclined to pay more attention to direction of shows.
 
Party Rocker said:
I don't believe that is enough concern that the park is headed in this KK way. Like mentioned previously, the entertainment business is rough and tough. People who perform better get the job, why stick with the same old when fresh new better talent can be sought out.

Because with an outstanding theater school right up the road the local talent could NEVER be worth a crap. An area that is known for Arts schools in public school magnets could NEVER have great performers. Because the local talent BGW USED to have was NEVER good enough for YEARS and YEARS that they did it that way. Because the fact that local performers were so good that the park has a performing wait list was a BAD thing. Come on, dude.
 
Atlantis, I'm just saying lets not jump to conclusions but seriously there are other performers out there that could possibly fill the spot better.

Why limit yourself to one area when you can broaden your horizons and see a larger picture.
 
The issue isn't performer quality, it never has been about that. What kat was saying is that the show production quality for KK (aka terrible) is going to be the standard at the park with this production company.
 
Party Rocker said:
Atlantis, I'm just saying lets not jump to conclusions but seriously there are other performers out there that could possibly fill the spot better.

Why limit yourself to one area when you can broaden your horizons and see a larger picture.

Broaden? I take it you have not seen Entwined that was designed by a big time designer... from where again? Broadway you say? I am failing to see where ANYTHING has gotten better. Anything at all.

Could better performers be out there than the park has now? Sure! Will they have larger egos and know better than to but up with the crap like the current performers? "YOUBETCHA!" Because he hires people from up North does not mean they will gloss over nonsense. They will be more nit picky. That will create more issues.

Where do those performers come from that these agents find jobs for come from? Oyea! Schools like CNU. You seem to think there is a performer machine that spits out performers for the agency when they are needed.


Pretzel Kaiser said:
The issue isn't performer quality, it never has been about that. What kat was saying is that the show production quality for KK (aka terrible) is going to be the standard at the park with this production company.


The first sentence is about as true as true gets. BGW has historically been a large and high profile stepping stone for bigger and better things. Where did that chance? I KNOW KNOW KNOW, PICK ME TEACHER!!!!!!!!

People are avoiding the park now for performance jobs.
 
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There is no need to jump all over me, I was just saying I think they are looking for better performers. I could be wrong or right. I never claimed to have the right answer, I just choose to keep an open mind.
 
Are people just not grasping how holding auditions isn't a free process. Holding national or international auditions ate even more costly.

People, in the same thread, are complaining about cutbacks and financial woes then in the same breath complaining about the park spending money in different areas. Pick a side already as waffling from side to side on every other point doesn't work from any logical standpoint.

Are they conserving money for abc reason or spending money for no reason for xyz reason.

As I stated before, these national auditions aren't new to BGW as it's not new to Disney, Universal or cruise ships. BGW has has national auditions for decades now .. Once, sometimes twice per year. If you're going to 'doom and gloom', pick a side already.
 
Cedarva said:
As I stated before, these national auditions aren't new to BGW as it's not new to Disney, Universal or cruise ships. BGW has has national auditions for decades now .. Once, sometimes twice per year. If you're going to 'doom and gloom', pick a side already.

This exactly. It's nothing new. The only new thing is they are replacing a large amount of performers than usual.
 
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