Rhinefeld (Germany)

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Zachary said:
About 1 to 3% fade per year assuming BGW used reasonably good exterior paint? 3 to 9% fade after 3 years? 5 to 15% in five years?

To reach what may appear to be an accurate looking reflection of the colors present in the modern German towns that are being used as an example, it will take, what, 6 to 7 years minimum? Surely by that point it is time to repaint?

This fade argument simply doesn't seem to align with the reality of the fade speed of modern exterior paint.
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Given BGW's propensity to not repaint, I wouldn't feel good on that point of it's time to repaint. That's assuming good exterior paint too. It's not an argument that it was a right thing to do, rather there's shock to the fresh paint that's going IMO quite over the top.

Applying a "don't look a gift horse in the mouth" argument to a business for which people pay for goods and services doesn't work for me at all. The park has a responsibility to maintain the condition of their buildings. They deserve no brownie points or other leeway as a reward for doing so. They only deserve ridicule when they don't fulfill their responsibilities.

Dissuading criticism of a change because, well, at least the park is doing the exact thing they have a responsibility to do anyway, is a dangerous path to head down if you ask me. That line of reasoning can justify all manner of disasterous decisions.
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Woah woah woah.....I'm not saying that it't that kinda situation.

Rather quite a few members of this community quite commonly put BGW in a no win situation. They don't do anything and it's bad. They do something and it's bad. And honestly it's getting tiring. Now I know the percent of members that argue both sides is a small number, but as someone who enjoys the park and isn't going to make rash decisions based on something that isn't complete yet and hasn't been done for more than 3 weeks yet, I think the backlash on here right now is quite dramatic.

First off, do we have any evidence to say that either the original Rhinefeld paint or the new Rhinefeld paint are historically accurate? Both general paint schemes have precedent in modern versions of historic German towns, but I'm not sure which is actually more historically accurate—just that both have modern representation in Germany.

Secondly, I'm really frustrated by the assertion that this is somehow a step in the right direction. They had an accurate representation of a German village. People keep cherry picking examples of the brightest color buildings in historic German towns when the internet is littered with countless examples that are a far closer approximation to what Rhinefeld looked like previously.

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Oktoberfest has always represented the bright, exciting, vibrant side of Germany with Rhinefeld reflecting the quiet, tranquil, refined side of the country's architecture. This contrast is essential to aesthetically distinguishing these two areas of the park from one another.

There is nothing more authentic about this new look than what we had previously—hence, not a step in the right direction.
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I couldn't disagree more here on this. Is the step in the right direction not doing anything?

Sorry and this isn't directed at you @Zachary because I usually agree with most of your takes on BGW. But all the groveling on BGW's seeming lack of investment there seems to be a lot of wanting to put the park in a time capsule and not do something to encourage people to come back and visit.

Do I think they were wrong to paint this part of the park? No.
Do I think they went too bright with everything? Yes.
 
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BGWnut said:
It certainly might be that one. I think it's certainly an interesting choice.
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God damn it.

warfelg said:
Rather quite a few members of this community quite commonly put BGW in a no win situation. They don't do anything and it's bad. They do something and it's bad. And honestly it's getting tiring.
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Doing something and changing something are two different things. No one would have complained if the village had been given a much-needed refresh. People are complaining because the park undertook an enormous overhaul of the tone and atmosphere of the village—one that guts what many of us adored about Rhinefeld—one that removes the hamlet's unique appearance—one that throws the nearly 50 years of historical precedent out the window—one at least some of us think is absolutely hideous in its current state.

I can think of many things the park could have done that no one would have had any problem with. Far from a no-win situation.
 
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Personally I never though Rhinefeld looked all that unique. Looked a lot like the England Hamlet and old Tudor Square at Hersheypark.

Personally it looks more like the Germany I tend to think of due to experiences from learning about Germany and German culture. So personally though overdone, I like the intent of what they tried even if the delivery isn't great.

And honestly the bigger issue I have (and this is more so at the fading prospects) is it makes it sound like even if they toned down the colors a good amount that it would still be wrong. And that's where I get the "no win" feeling for BGW going.
 
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warfelg said:
Personally I never though Rhinefeld looked all that unique. Looked a lot like the England Hamlet and old Tudor Square at Hersheypark.
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I sorta hate to do this, but I sorta don't know how to address this in another way.

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warfelg said:
And honestly the bigger issue I have (and this is more so at the fading prospects) is it makes it sound like even if they toned down the colors a good amount that it would still be wrong. And that's where I get the "no win" feeling for BGW going.
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If they toned down the colors a good amount, my objections would be far more muted. I'd still maybe question why they would chose to make Rhinefeld and Oktoberfest look more similar to one another when they were designed to stand in contrast, but at least it would provide an accurate representation of something that is present in Germany.

Like I said, I honestly do like how the concept art looks. Aesthetically, I could be fairly easily brought onboard with some more tasteful application of a colorful pallette than we're seeing come to fruition in practice. I would find it far easier to overlook minor conceptual objections to the change if my eyes didn't turn into sunny-side-up eggs in a frying pan each time I walked into the hamlet.

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Zachary said:
I sorta hate to do this, but I sorta don't know how to address this in another way.
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I appreciate the pictures of things I'm well aware of, but they all feel similar to me. I don't get a real sense of place from them that makes one feel different from the other. And that's my opinion on it. They evoke different emotions for you. And you know what....that's cool too.

If they toned down the colors a good amount, my objections would be far more muted. I'd still maybe question why they would chose to make Rhinefeld and Oktoberfest look more similar to one another when they were designed to stand in contrast, but at least it would provide an accurate representation of something that is present in Germany.

Like I said, I honestly do like how the concept art looks. Aesthetically, I could be fairly easily brought onboard with some more tasteful application of a colorful pallette than we're seeing come to fruition in practice. I would find it far easier to overlook minor conceptual objections to the change if my eyes didn't turn into sunny-side-up eggs in a frying pan each time I walked into the hamlet.
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So....is there something wrong with saying lets give it just a touch more time? I'm not saying the 2-3-4 year time either. Give it til summer season and see if we're just seeing the painting mid project.
 
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warfelg said:
So....is there something wrong with saying lets give it just a touch more time? I'm not saying the 2-3-4 year time either. Give it til summer season and see if we're just seeing the painting mid project.
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Certainly. I've said repeatedly that I am and everyone should reserve final judgement until it's done. That said, it's unreasonable to expect people not to discuss and critique what they're seeing as work progresses as well though. I think we can reasonably do both.
 
Zachary said:
Certainly. I've said repeatedly that I am and everyone should reserve final judgement until it's done. That said, it's unreasonable to expect people not to discuss and critique what they're seeing as work progresses as well though. I think we can reasonably do both.
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Fair enough. And don't disagree with being able to do both.

I'm interested in two things because of the difference in concept art and application so far:
1 - Did someone order the wrong paint?
2 - Is there going to be a finish done (some sort of patina effort) that will pull back the tone/saturation and make it look aged?

Now I get the way some people have felt about BGW and their efforts on caring about that stuff and say it won't happen. But as has been said, much of this used to be done when they were closed and are now doing it while open. In fact if this is BGW's "new direction" to cut back on ride theme elements on and in rides and put it to the pathway care, I'm for that.
 
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BGWnut said:
Stay tuned. I'm hearing that there might be some new stuff coming soon.
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Zachary said:
I have too. Maybe we need to compare notes.

I heard talk of a proposal that I wasn't happy about at all... Might it be that one?
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BGWnut said:
It certainly might be that one. I think it's certainly an interesting choice.
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Zachary said:
God damn it.
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You guys out here like that one friend who says "I'm so mad" and then says "I can't talk about it" when you ask what's wrong.
 
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I finally strolled through on my way to hit every open coaster (I've been cutting through coaster valley during Mardi Gras).

Maybe im just a rose tinted glasses shill (cause I like the Alpie paint too) but i don't mind it at all.
 
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Most if not all of the colors seem to have been toned down. The difference in tones was visible in a couple of spots:

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Although they're minor changes, it has a noticeable affect on the hamlet as a whole, especially when compared to my photos from 2 weeks ago. The biggest change for me was the highlighter yellow stripe on the Wilkommenhaus being repainted with a neutral tone more similar to its original color. The huge yellow wall along the outside curve of the village was also changed to include blue and green sections. Curious to know if this was the plan all along or if they're truly just flying by the seat of their pants.

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