Reimagining Italy: Pompeii Hamlet & Festa Apollo
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RE: Pompeii Hamlet
Finally someone heard me when I said, the terrain is one big ravine in that area. There is no level ground for anything. The entire hamlet would have to be built on a deck of some sort.
The ravine takes up the entire area not just up against San Marco.
jmu2011 said:
Finally someone heard me when I said, the terrain is one big ravine in that area. There is no level ground for anything. The entire hamlet would have to be built on a deck of some sort.
The ravine takes up the entire area not just up against San Marco.
RE: Pompeii Hamlet
Well a ravine may be a problem for the hamlet part of the concept but it poses no issue for the coaster part. Also, lets not forget the terraforming the park did with Verbolten. They're clearly not afraid of moving around large piles of dirt.
Well a ravine may be a problem for the hamlet part of the concept but it poses no issue for the coaster part. Also, lets not forget the terraforming the park did with Verbolten. They're clearly not afraid of moving around large piles of dirt.
RE: Pompeii Hamlet
I'm sure the park has a ton of dirt from that giant hole they dug for Verbolten... unless they sold it all...
I'm sure the park has a ton of dirt from that giant hole they dug for Verbolten... unless they sold it all...
RE: Pompeii Hamlet
The dirt from Verbolten was styled into an amphitheater style in Festhaus Park and now Festhaus Park looks like a natural earth-made amphitheater as opposed to the flat piece of land we last saw.
I honestly don't think they have enough dirt to fill in the area, unless they bought some or they tore apart a hill.
Evan said:
The dirt from Verbolten was styled into an amphitheater style in Festhaus Park and now Festhaus Park looks like a natural earth-made amphitheater as opposed to the flat piece of land we last saw.
I honestly don't think they have enough dirt to fill in the area, unless they bought some or they tore apart a hill.
RE: Pompeii Hamlet
I know this may be a little off topic. However, My great Uncle helped build Busch Gardens, and his job was to move dirt from the man-made river to other areas of the park, I'm sure we can move around a little dirt. It's no need freaking out over.
Zachary said:
I know this may be a little off topic. However, My great Uncle helped build Busch Gardens, and his job was to move dirt from the man-made river to other areas of the park, I'm sure we can move around a little dirt. It's no need freaking out over.
RE: Pompeii Hamlet
I love the idea Zachary... except my heart is set on Greece for Festa. But you and I (quality wise) are on the same page. I would call it "Pandora's Box" for Grecian gifts, and the indoor food seating area would look like the Parthenon, with the boats docking in Greece in order to make the Rhine River Cruise a real means of transportation. The Roman Rapids becomes the Grecian Gorge Adventure.. and since Apollo is also "Apollo" be it in Greek or Roman mythology... no name change is needed.
Regardless, if my dream or yours ever has the good grace to become reality; Festa will elevate itself into awesomeness.
Yes, I know. "Awesomeness" is not a "real" word, but neither was Steven Colbert's "Truthiness;" and it was selected as Webster's 2006 word of the year.
So yeah- awesomeness.
I love the idea Zachary... except my heart is set on Greece for Festa. But you and I (quality wise) are on the same page.
I would call it "Pandora's Box" for Grecian gifts, and the indoor food seating area would look like the Parthenon, with the boats docking in Greece in order to make the Rhine River Cruise a real means of transportation. The Roman Rapids becomes the Grecian Gorge Adventure.. and since Apollo is also "Apollo" be it in Greek or Roman mythology... no name change is needed.Regardless, if my dream or yours ever has the good grace to become reality; Festa will elevate itself into awesomeness.
Yes, I know. "Awesomeness" is not a "real" word, but neither was Steven Colbert's "Truthiness;" and it was selected as Webster's 2006 word of the year.
So yeah- awesomeness.
RE: Pompeii Hamlet
Isn't there a slight ravine in between LNM and Pompeii as well? If memory serves right there it isn't exactly flat land right there. I remember that the ravine is so step behind the shops in San Marco there is a pathway and a steep cliff next to it. Almost like when you see those winding roads along the mountain side and there is like just barely enough space.
Isn't there a slight ravine in between LNM and Pompeii as well? If memory serves right there it isn't exactly flat land right there. I remember that the ravine is so step behind the shops in San Marco there is a pathway and a steep cliff next to it. Almost like when you see those winding roads along the mountain side and there is like just barely enough space.
RE: Pompeii Hamlet
That is what they did with the England hamlet, they buit it on one big deck. As you go through the bag check, go over to a railing and look under. It is one big, giant ravine. So I could see them making this hamlet on a deck.
It would also be cool if the roller coaster went under the deck. That would be awesome.
Party Rocker said:
That is what they did with the England hamlet, they buit it on one big deck. As you go through the bag check, go over to a railing and look under. It is one big, giant ravine. So I could see them making this hamlet on a deck.
It would also be cool if the roller coaster went under the deck. That would be awesome.
RE: Pompeii Hamlet
Not quite. Only bits and pieces are built on decks, not the entire thing, in fact most of England is on some kind of leveled ground. The biggest portion, or at least the most noticeable portion is the seating behind the candy shop, other than that there really isn't that much decking used in the country. Actually, can you pour concrete on a deck? If so, I can understand such, but if not then I would venture to say that perhaps a building or two is on a deck but not major pathways.
Not saying that you are completely false, but somewhat mislead, or at least saying that you are correct, slightly.
EDIT:
And just to get an idea of how this might be, the Arcade in Festa is built on a deck, the entire building, yet the pathway is on level ground. Also, take note of Mach Tower. The queue is on a deck but Mach Tower's foundation goes into the hillside on/in the ground.
I will also say, I do want addition verification from someone else because I have been known to be wrong once or twice around the forums So, addition verification kind of helps.
Hoopla said:
Not quite. Only bits and pieces are built on decks, not the entire thing, in fact most of England is on some kind of leveled ground. The biggest portion, or at least the most noticeable portion is the seating behind the candy shop, other than that there really isn't that much decking used in the country. Actually, can you pour concrete on a deck? If so, I can understand such, but if not then I would venture to say that perhaps a building or two is on a deck but not major pathways.
Not saying that you are completely false, but somewhat mislead, or at least saying that you are correct, slightly.
EDIT:
And just to get an idea of how this might be, the Arcade in Festa is built on a deck, the entire building, yet the pathway is on level ground. Also, take note of Mach Tower. The queue is on a deck but Mach Tower's foundation goes into the hillside on/in the ground.
I will also say, I do want addition verification from someone else because I have been known to be wrong once or twice around the forums
So, addition verification kind of helps.
RE: Pompeii Hamlet
The ravine won't be a problem. The park has delt with its unique and hilly terrain for decades. The park isnt afraid to dig up dirt, aell dirt or buy dirt. The backside if the Abbeystone goes into a ravine as well. There are so so many examples of how the park has delt with it over the years from Mach Tower to Verbolten to even older buildings. Lets put this particular issue to rest.
The ravine won't be a problem. The park has delt with its unique and hilly terrain for decades. The park isnt afraid to dig up dirt, aell dirt or buy dirt. The backside if the Abbeystone goes into a ravine as well. There are so so many examples of how the park has delt with it over the years from Mach Tower to Verbolten to even older buildings. Lets put this particular issue to rest.
RE: Pompeii Hamlet
I think this whole thing makes sense because, as of today, Pompeii does just kind of sit there, alone. You walk around the corner and cross the bridge, then through a little no-man's land and finally into the adjacent hamlets, which are somewhat different in style than Pompeii, anyway (if only slightly).
Still, a Pompeii area would make a third Italy, and switching Festa into Greece would not do much to fix this, in my opinion, because Greece=Italy=Rome in the aesthetic minds of most people. Changing Festa into Spain doesn't really work because Apollo's Chariot is not Spanish. You could call it something else, I suppose, but that's probably not a realistic option.
San Marco could be Spain, easily enough, but then you need to change the restaurant to serve Spanish food...and I'm not even sure what that is or how popular it would be. Also, there'd be no major ride in this area, and the Da Vinci stuff would have to be changed to something else.
Having been sold on the Pompeii idea, I am now kind of more interested in hearing how you address the "three Italies" problem.
I think this whole thing makes sense because, as of today, Pompeii does just kind of sit there, alone. You walk around the corner and cross the bridge, then through a little no-man's land and finally into the adjacent hamlets, which are somewhat different in style than Pompeii, anyway (if only slightly).
Still, a Pompeii area would make a third Italy, and switching Festa into Greece would not do much to fix this, in my opinion, because Greece=Italy=Rome in the aesthetic minds of most people. Changing Festa into Spain doesn't really work because Apollo's Chariot is not Spanish. You could call it something else, I suppose, but that's probably not a realistic option.
San Marco could be Spain, easily enough, but then you need to change the restaurant to serve Spanish food...and I'm not even sure what that is or how popular it would be. Also, there'd be no major ride in this area, and the Da Vinci stuff would have to be changed to something else.
Having been sold on the Pompeii idea, I am now kind of more interested in hearing how you address the "three Italies" problem.
RE: Pompeii Hamlet
I like it!
Nora said:I love the idea Zachary... except my heart is set on Greece for Festa. But you and I (quality wise) are on the same page.
I like it!
RE: Pompeii Hamlet
First of all if you ever said to an Italian or a Greek that they are the same.. wow. :shocked: I think you would have a fight on your hands. True they have similar traditions and beliefs but honestly, they are obviously different.
When I think of Greece, I think of Athens, the Parthenon, the birthplace of democracy, the Olympic games, mathematics, philosophy, and therefore...modern thinking. It is a an amazing country with beautiful architecture, food, music, and history.
Not to mention that even in Italian culture varies from one area to another. It would be like saying that people from LA are the exact same as people from New York. Venice and Rome are NOT the same.
I've also heard that folks wish that Austria or Sweden would be added. Would you say that these countries relate or remind us too much of Germany? People can have connections and influences from one country that is near another due to ancient tribes and the origins of the people living there.
In fact, the Grecian Empire once extended to Persia and even Egypt. There are both Greek and Roman influences everywhere.
To change San Marco to Spain would be very sad indeed. If Spain is built, it should be the area behind Germany. I pictured Festa as Greece- Spain behind Germany and another bridge to connect the two countries thus creating another "loop" for traffic.
Doc Dollars said:
First of all if you ever said to an Italian or a Greek that they are the same.. wow. :shocked: I think you would have a fight on your hands. True they have similar traditions and beliefs but honestly, they are obviously different.
When I think of Greece, I think of Athens, the Parthenon, the birthplace of democracy, the Olympic games, mathematics, philosophy, and therefore...modern thinking. It is a an amazing country with beautiful architecture, food, music, and history.
Not to mention that even in Italian culture varies from one area to another. It would be like saying that people from LA are the exact same as people from New York. Venice and Rome are NOT the same.
I've also heard that folks wish that Austria or Sweden would be added. Would you say that these countries relate or remind us too much of Germany? People can have connections and influences from one country that is near another due to ancient tribes and the origins of the people living there.
In fact, the Grecian Empire once extended to Persia and even Egypt. There are both Greek and Roman influences everywhere.
To change San Marco to Spain would be very sad indeed. If Spain is built, it should be the area behind Germany. I pictured Festa as Greece- Spain behind Germany and another bridge to connect the two countries thus creating another "loop" for traffic.
RE: Pompeii Hamlet
In the song "Not Gay If It's In a Three-Way," Andy Samberg says of this supposed rule that, "this rule goes back to Ancient Greece," to which Justin Timberlake replies "Talkin' about Caesar!" I think this pretty well sums up the average person's appreciation of the differences. I know that I had to explain why that was a joke to more than one person (in Canada, no less!).
I myself am a history person. I understand the difference. But I don't think most people would, especially visually. It would seem to me that having a Greece hamlet alongside an Italy hamlet, especially when there would definitely be visual ties to the ancient history of each, would be like putting a New Zealand hamlet next to an Australian one. People who knew the difference would know the difference, but people who didn't know that much about either one probably wouldn't be able to tell them apart. It would seem like one big "Australia thing." It would just seem like there were "three Italies," still, I think. I mean, it's the Med.
So, yes, to answer your question, I think the nuances that separated an Austria hamlet from the German ones would be subtle, at best, and probably under-appreciated to the point where building an Austria would not be worth it for the park.
Spain, on the other hand, would be worth it, and I agree with you...it deserves its own space. I was just throwing something out there.
Nora said:
In the song "Not Gay If It's In a Three-Way," Andy Samberg says of this supposed rule that, "this rule goes back to Ancient Greece," to which Justin Timberlake replies "Talkin' about Caesar!" I think this pretty well sums up the average person's appreciation of the differences. I know that I had to explain why that was a joke to more than one person (in Canada, no less!).
I myself am a history person. I understand the difference. But I don't think most people would, especially visually. It would seem to me that having a Greece hamlet alongside an Italy hamlet, especially when there would definitely be visual ties to the ancient history of each, would be like putting a New Zealand hamlet next to an Australian one. People who knew the difference would know the difference, but people who didn't know that much about either one probably wouldn't be able to tell them apart. It would seem like one big "Australia thing." It would just seem like there were "three Italies," still, I think. I mean, it's the Med.
So, yes, to answer your question, I think the nuances that separated an Austria hamlet from the German ones would be subtle, at best, and probably under-appreciated to the point where building an Austria would not be worth it for the park.
Spain, on the other hand, would be worth it, and I agree with you...it deserves its own space. I was just throwing something out there.