Good lord I'm really tired of popping into this thread to see construction progress and seeing the same arguments between the same few people over and over again. At what point do we start doing threadbans?
News Project 2027/Purple: Delayed “World Record Breaking Coaster" (Phantom Spire?)
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new ML designs rendering of the "lighthouse" theme looks awesome with the curl at the top.
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For what it’s worth, Fury 325 used a 350ft crane.
That makes the top of the track 25 feet shy of the max crane height.
I understand other places sometimes use significantly taller cranes for what is needed but let’s not act like a 450 ft crane is only capable of topping at 400ft. The tower could very well be 430ft
That makes the top of the track 25 feet shy of the max crane height.
I understand other places sometimes use significantly taller cranes for what is needed but let’s not act like a 450 ft crane is only capable of topping at 400ft. The tower could very well be 430ft
Very valid. This coaster definitely is a “prestige-driven” the main draw being super tall to be seen as similar to KA. If it’s not a strata coaster, they should have just built a higher capacity, full circuit giga from BMM. What’s the point anyway? On the positive side, I have not seen evidence yet to suggest it won’t be shorter than 400 ft. I would believe a 450 ft crane should be able to built up to 430 ft if needed. I would think this park would definitely make this coaster very similar to KA height to be comparable for marketing. It won’t be 456 ft + but with falcons flight, going higher is not necessary. I would be very happy if it’s slightly taller than top thrill to regain tallest in North America, as than the lost of KA height record would not mean much. But I would be satisfied with 400 ft at the least.
It only has to reach 421' as far as I'm concerned
400-421' and I'm happy. Less and I'm with @Zachary, needlessly underwhelming.
I have some evidence.
so considering the stall will be a little over a hundred we can add that on top of each other and it adds up to either just 400 no more or under as the lighthouse ( if there is one) will also have to account for the tower, so the tower being strata? almost certain but the actual coaster. well I would not get my hopes up. but would love to be proven wrong.
so considering the stall will be a little over a hundred we can add that on top of each other and it adds up to either just 400 no more or under as the lighthouse ( if there is one) will also have to account for the tower, so the tower being strata? almost certain but the actual coaster. well I would not get my hopes up. but would love to be proven wrong.
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Seeing the tower in the screenshot above, I’m really curious about how the iconic picture from lake in front of the fort looking to el toro and ka will look with this tower location. Since it’s a bit further away into the parking lot and also not as far back towards the safari entrance, I wonder if it’ll overlap properly or if it’ll be behind the second airtime hill
Great call, let me see what I can do there to accurately show that!
I have actually thought about this....three things pop up into my head. The first being the fact that Cedar Fair likely already bought this or had some sort of agreement with Mack in place. Second, a giga would appease the coaster fans (I would kill for a B&M giga at Great Adventure) but it doesn't have the wow factor that Ka did when trying to attract the GP. Then finally, it would look very similar to Nitro in the eyes of the GP. I don't think that's a deal breaker if you're looking to replace a much less beloved attraction (Medusa lookin at you) but with the spiritual successor to Kingda Ka you can't really have a ride that to the untrained eye looks like just a bigger version of what the park already has.
Given the price of steel right now I actually understand why they chose this option. Shuttle isn't ideal but if it allows us to get another strata (which I am expecting this to be) in the park I'll allow it. We don't live in the early 2000s anymore where building 300-400 ft mammoth coasters is just a normal occurrence. Still disagree with the decision to remove Ka in the first place but these are the cards we've been dealt, and this is likely the best option for the long term success of the park.
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Yep, fully agree with all of that @Nitro230—as long as it's a strata. I know it sounds super petty to say the 400ft drop matters that much, but, like @Adventure UP, that's definitely my line.
Looks like maybe between the second hill and the turn around.
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Worth nothing that the track at the top of the tower will be mostly horizontal, which I imagine would be easier to install than vertical track when it comes to not having as much crane height to work with.
The crane is 450ft tall right? That’s plenty of room for them to top off a 400ft coaster. The transition from the part of the ride that occurs right before the top of the tower and the top of the tower will probably cover 20-30ft on its own too, so assuming the ride is exactly 400ft tall (my prediction) the ride will enter that transition at about the 375ft mark give or take
if this thing is 400+ the red is supposedly launching up some? So that means the train is going to going roughly 100mph in the teal section? Which isint much length to slow down much before it slams into a tight spiral. Thats going to pull some crazy Gs. It just doesn't make sense but im not a engineer. I would think the 1st turn the train shouldnt be going much more than 50, to slow down from 100 to that is like no room
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Aren’t those spinner cars also extremely heavy compared to a typical coaster car?
I was thinking this. From what I read, they are indeed very heavy. This probably accounts for why it needs all of those launches.
If there is fins going up the straight portion of the incline on the tower, it won't have to be going as fast.
I really don’t think the launch would go that far up the tower though, I guess more track could be coming but I don’t think there were a lot of curved launch pieces left to go that far up based on the construction videos we’ve seen. Maybe about half way up the red part?
Circling back to the argument about originally intended timelines for this and Ka, I could see a world where this *was* going to be built in 2025 alongside a (planned to be) operating Ka, and then at the end of the operating season they could’ve used the already-on-site crane that just built Phantom Spire to disassemble Ka’s tower. No need for explosives and no risk of damaging their shiny new investment.
For context: in my video, the point where the third launch ends, the train is going 102mph. NoLimits 2 calculates that as an appropriate speed to get you up to that height (350-400ft). If you extend the LSMs as far up the tower as you have there in the red, you wouldn't need to hit 100+mph, or maybe even 90mph, to do the same. That would then come with the challenge of increased power consumption of boosting those already massive trains up an incline, but it would achieve an overall lower speed if that was the goal.