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The "Garden State" moniker could definitely be leveraged more, especially in such an agricultural area. Hell I don't see why there are aren't Duke Farms, Bell Labs, and/or Fort Dix sections of the park to accompany the boardwalk. If you can't tell, my dream park is the original concept of Disney's California Adventure But It's In New Jersey And New Jersey Themed And I Build It. The 2037 addition could be a celebration of the Hindenburg centennial

You get a thumbs up for the general sentiment, but I gotta say that theming anything at a park around the Hindenberg disaster is in definitively poor taste. I'd be totally on board for an Allaire Village themed section though, complete with a return of a proper railroad to the park.
 
You get a thumbs up for the general sentiment, but I gotta say that theming anything at a park around the Hindenberg disaster is in definitively poor taste. I'd be totally on board for an Allaire Village themed section though, complete with a return of a proper railroad to the park.
I appreciate the support but I haven't even gotten to this century's atrocities. If Staten Island were rightly under the rule of Liberty and Prosperity you know I'd be proposing a Fresh Kills feature
 
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Since the new coaster and old unused plots are coming up, here's the map I put together in the other thread showing how much land is available for redevelopment, and how little of it the new coaster is using.

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I am very intrigued with what will go where GL was. It seems to be flying mostly under the radar. That is a massive plot of land.

What that being said, it seems like a missed oppurtunity not sticking a giga where KK and GL was. Station could be far down near KA's old tower, its a big of a hike but the people will walk it for that type of attraction. It wouldn't take up the GL plot, and you could even go nutty and have it go under the boardwalk path into go karts area.
 
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You get a thumbs up for the general sentiment, but I gotta say that theming anything at a park around the Hindenberg disaster is in definitively poor taste. I'd be totally on board for an Allaire Village themed section though, complete with a return of a proper railroad to the park.
If this is the route we’re going, I want a jughandle-themed section of the park where guests aren’t allowed to walk to the left.
 
A dueling coaster with one side named Taylor Ham and the other Pork Roll.
I would Eat This The Fuck Up. Also just occurred to me Carowinds never replaced Thunder Road, and maybe a North v. South theme would be a little too on the nose, but a racer enhanced by local rivalry would be incredibly fun. I'd be screaming at the trains on the Taylor Ham side of the Bagel Sandwich Brawl/Egg and Cheese Chase with the passion of them representing my people and the genericization of trademarks. Two first aid buildings; one has bandages and the other has band-aids
 
I am very intrigued with what will go where GL was. It seems to be flying mostly under the radar. That is a massive plot of land.

What that being said, it seems like a missed oppurtunity not sticking a giga where KK and GL was. Station could be far down near KA's old tower, its a big of a hike but the people will walk it for that type of attraction. It wouldn't take up the GL plot, and you could even go nutty and have it go under the boardwalk path into go karts area.
Well in the park presentation last week they circled the GL plot area as the focus of their current "project area" so it seems like it's part of the new coaster and next developments. 👍 Interestingly, they seem to be considering GL and the new coaster areas also part of the greater "boardwalk" section. Read into that re theming, methinks.

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We've all speculated the KK/Rolling Thunder plot, being the biggest, is where any large addition will go down the line, like a giga.
 
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Fun fact: Not a single footer has been poured* (yet) for this ride in Kingda Ka's footprint. I'm half convinced that the park intended the two rides to co-exist, if only for a short period of time.

*I may be wrong, and if so, it's like...two footers.


Not any more. One time, a long time ago, pre-Premier Parks days, it was.
The plan was for Ka to remain open while the new coaster was built last year, then close last fall and the new coaster open sometime this spring/summer. That's what went sideways. 🙃 Management actually planned to not act as cold and incompetent as they did. 😁
 
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I'd just like to imagine the universe where, for one season, the new strata and Ka ran alongside each other. Could you imagine one year of the Two Towers? It would've been legendary for the park.
It would be extraordinary for a park to have TWO strata coasters. That would have made great adventure sound super elite something that would have been too good to be true! 😂
 
I’m going to out on a limb and say that a gimmick coaster is only acceptable as a replacement for Ka, but it’s necessary too.

I believe Ka was famous because of its sheer absurdity. The GP across the country who knew about Ka, and put SFGAdv on their bucket list because of it, did so because Ka was the coaster equivalent of clickbait: insanely tall, insanely fast, and a crazy-looking, unique structure. Ka stood out because it wasn’t like every other coaster in the GP’s mind — much like Volcano, it was so outlandish that it assumed its own identity in the public’s eye. It was nothing but gimmick. It was memorable.

I bet the vast majority of enthusiasts would agree that El Toro is a far better coaster than Ka was. But I would also bet you this: far fewer people in the GP knew about El Toro than Ka, and even fewer were booking a trip to New Jersey to ride it. Point being: to most of the GP, a coaster is a coaster. It takes something special like Ka to earn its reputation in the broader public mind.

If Ka were replaced by a coaster like Falcon’s Flight, or Tormenta, or Steel Vengeance, or Fury, or whatever the best “non gimmick” coaster you can imagine is, I think it would be an ill-fitting replacement for Ka. It would lack that madness, that shining beacon that put SFGADv on the map with Ka and made it stand out from all the other parks with really solid coaster lineups. SFGAdv would just become one of many parks with a really good collection of really good coasters.

Ka’s replacement needs that WTF factor. It needs to create talk. It needs to make waves and get people talking around the water cooler, states away. And just as coasters like Ka and Volcano dominated Travel Channel coverage in the early 2000s, this coaster needs the modern equivalent with social media virality. You don’t accomplish that with a slighter better multi-launch coaster or a slightly bigger dive coaster. You accomplish that with something crazy that people have never seen before. Siren’s Curse captured that spirit, I think, but it lacked the scale to replace Ka. An absurdly tall spire with spinning cars flinging riders around 400 feet in the air, and then falling back through the course backwards, not only captures that spirit but also accomplishes the near-impossible task of doing so in a way that gets close to the scale of Ka.

I for one would be sorely disappointed if Six Flags did go the “safe” route and just try to build a nice, big, solid coaster. They can build one of those anywhere. I’m much more excited, and almost a little surprised, that they’re taking the risk with something a little crazy. That’s what a true spiritual successor to Ka needs.

I agree with all of this. I always said that Kingda Ka brought people to the park but El Toro made people want to come back. It’s also important to note that the supposed opening of the new coaster will coincide with the retracking of El Toro being completed, which that investment into restoring the park’s most beloved roller coaster certainly speaks to the company seeing something in the park unlike what certain doom-and-gloomers here want people to think. Investing in the little things means nothing without a spectacle to bring people in, and much like Great American Scream Machine helped save the park in 1989 by bringing people in to see how much it had improved since the down years of the early to mid 80s, Phantom Spire could do the same in this decade.

Also, it’s not like Great Adventure is lacking in quality roller coasters. It had arguably the best B&M hyper in the Six Flags chain until the merger added Diamondback to the conversation, and Nitro is still an elite ride with one of the best night rides out there. Medusa is one of the most underrated roller coasters on the planet, Flash turned out to be a surprise gem for the park, and Jersey Devil may be a lower tier RMC, but it’s still an RMC meaning it delivers a great ride. I honestly didn’t miss Kingda Ka when I went to the park last year, I missed Zumanjaro a lot more tbh, and treating the park’s coaster lineup like it’s “El Toro and some other okay roller coasters” is really doing the rest of the park’s coaster collection a disservice, especially Nitro which based on yearly ridership has been the park’s most popular attraction since it first opened 25 years ago.

It’s clear to me that despite the rough 2024, the company has faith in this park. The fact that a full retrack of El Toro is being done by Intamin instead of being done in house should be enough to put any doubts about the company not believing in the park to rest. They wouldn’t pay for that if they didn’t see a future for the park. I’m hopeful for the future and can’t wait to see what’s in store.
 
I agree with all of this. I always said that Kingda Ka brought people to the park but El Toro made people want to come back. It’s also important to note that the supposed opening of the new coaster will coincide with the retracking of El Toro being completed, which that investment into restoring the park’s most beloved roller coaster certainly speaks to the company seeing something in the park unlike what certain doom-and-gloomers here want people to think. Investing in the little things means nothing without a spectacle to bring people in, and much like Great American Scream Machine helped save the park in 1989 by bringing people in to see how much it had improved since the down years of the early to mid 80s, Phantom Spire could do the same in this decade.

Also, it’s not like Great Adventure is lacking in quality roller coasters. It had arguably the best B&M hyper in the Six Flags chain until the merger added Diamondback to the conversation, and Nitro is still an elite ride with one of the best night rides out there. Medusa is one of the most underrated roller coasters on the planet, Flash turned out to be a surprise gem for the park, and Jersey Devil may be a lower tier RMC, but it’s still an RMC meaning it delivers a great ride. I honestly didn’t miss Kingda Ka when I went to the park last year, I missed Zumanjaro a lot more tbh, and treating the park’s coaster lineup like it’s “El Toro and some other okay roller coasters” is really doing the rest of the park’s coaster collection a disservice, especially Nitro which based on yearly ridership has been the park’s most popular attraction since it first opened 25 years ago.

It’s clear to me that despite the rough 2024, the company has faith in this park. The fact that a full retrack of El Toro is being done by Intamin instead of being done in house should be enough to put any doubts about the company not believing in the park to rest. They wouldn’t pay for that if they didn’t see a future for the park. I’m hopeful for the future and can’t wait to see what’s in store.
Re the opening of the new coaster and El Toro, no, the re-tracking will only be 1/3 done by this spring. It'll be two more off-seasons of work before the re-tracking is finished, per Ryan and the park presentation last week. ✌️ And I agree with everything else. For me for the past 20 years, I come to GAdv for Medusa, Batman, El Toro, Nitro, and Wonder Woman. Kingda Ka, Jersey Devil, and Flash were/are just bonuses if they're working and the lines aren't too long, personally.
 
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which that investment into restoring the park’s most beloved roller coaster certainly speaks to the company seeing something in the park unlike what certain doom-and-gloomers here want people to think.
You act like I came here proselytizing. I just share my thoughts.
I absolutely stand by the fact that Great Adventure is nowhere near destination status anymore, and the Mack spinner won't restore it. There is an infinite amount of ways to spend money as a family, as a thoosie, or as a "GP normie" for entertainment, and most people know their money is not best spent traveling to, and staying at, the Red Roof Freehold, for a mediocre-at-best collection of rides that happens to also include El Toro.
I still think that's not an unfair assessment.

In regards to El Toro,
Accepting a bid from the original manufacturer to refurbish a ride instead of a third party is not commendable, it's commonplace, and should be pretty standard for a corporation of this size.

We are applauding the park for doing maintenance. To be fair, history has shown that it may be necessary at this point for customers to publicly shame the corporation into taking care of their rides.
 
Re the opening of the new coaster and El Toro, no, the re-tracking will only be 1/3 done by this spring. It'll be two more off-seasons of work before the re-tracking is finished, per Ryan and the park presentation last week. ✌️ And I agree with everything else. For me for the past 20 years, I come to GAdv for Medusa, Batman, El Toro, Nitro, and Wonder Woman. Kingda Ka, Jersey Devil, and Flash were/are just bonuses if they're working and the lines aren't too long, personally.
Actually, somewhat confusingly, the presentation video says there’s three phases, with phase one being worked on now, but they also said that they expect to finish phase 2 and 3 during the 2026-2027 off season, so the ride will be ready for the 2027 season with all of its new track.

Also, as far as retracking with new Intamin Prefab track, I think folks were expecting an RMC track replacement, since that’s what happened with T-Expess, so straight from Intamin *is* the better option.
 
Actually, somewhat confusingly, the presentation video says there’s three phases, with phase one being worked on now, but they also said that they expect to finish phase 2 and 3 during the 2026-2027 off season, so the ride will be ready for the 2027 season with all of its new track.

Also, as far as retracking with new Intamin Prefab track, I think folks were expecting an RMC track replacement, since that’s what happened with T-Expess, so straight from Intamin *is* the better option.
Also they retracked some last off-season; granted that was very little compared to these two projects.
 
General Reminder: We have threads for broad state of the park discussion, future projects after the 2027 coaster, and El Toro. I know discussions twist and turn and that's fine, but if your post primarily focuses on a non-2027 project topic, quote the post you're responding to and continue the discussion in the appropriate thread. That way those important discussions aren't terminated by project 2027 talk and people coming to this thread for project 2027 news will find what's written on the tin.
 
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