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Still crazy to me that we’re possibly less than a month away from Montezooma seeing riders again for the first time in over 4 years. There was a point when I assumed the project was dead, we’ve come a long way since then.

Montezooma was essentially semi-dead for about a year and a half while things were tied up in litigation. It's now running test cycles with water dummies and my connections at the park tell me they expect an opening by the end of July if all goes well.

What's going on at the construction site currently? I know the thrill glider track has been in the parking lot for quite some time. As you know, this prototype coaster was originally supposed to open back in 2025 before all the tariffs issues.

When I was there a couple weeks ago, they were actively moving dirt around but nothing permanent had been installed yet. I'm expecting we'll see footers start going in within the next couple months, then vertical construction likely in the fall/winter.
 
Montezooma was essentially semi-dead for about a year and a half while things were tied up in litigation. It's now running test cycles with water dummies and my connections at the park tell me they expect an opening by the end of July if all goes well.



When I was there a couple weeks ago, they were actively moving dirt around but nothing permanent had been installed yet. I'm expecting we'll see footers start going in within the next couple months, then vertical construction likely in the fall/winter.
Would that be a 2027 opening or more 2028 investment now?
 
Would that be a 2027 opening or more 2028 investment now?

Cyber Cycle is opening in 2027 unless something goes very wrong. It was deferred from 2025 because of the merger, then deferred from 2026 when permitting issues made opening by this summer impossible, but there's enough time to make a spring 2027 opening if they get started on construction this month.
 
They need to get it together....this coaster was supposed to open in 2025. I won't be surprised if it's delayed again and by that time the bright blue coaster track will be faded.

You also run into the possibility of other parks announcing bigger and better versions before this one opens.
 
Someone more knowledgeable please chime in - what on earth is the deal with the permitting? This has to be a nightmare for the park.

I haven't followed every filing or anything, but when I looked into this a while back, it looked like the people experiencing the nightmare were staff at LA County having to deal with a truly incompetent amusement park hamfistedly trying to build a roller coaster with minimal understanding of how to actually accomplish that task legally. It was probably a year ago now when I found this doc, but if I remember correctly, SFMM had just been flaunting storm water regulations for years...? Like, seemingly willfully—racking up tons of unpaid fines? I may have to go find that document again. It was bad.

Especially when you're building a large terrain coaster on an enormous, really complicated hillside—and especially when you're building in California (landslides, earthquakes, etc)—working with local authorities should be one of the first steps in the process. This old Six Flags method of buying an attraction, teasing a ride, planning for its debut, and sometimes even formally announcing it prior to ACTUALLY obtaining permission to build the damn thing is wild and I can really only blame Six Flags when things consistently go sideways as a result.

Hopefully new Six Flags is working through the mountains of figurative (and maybe literal?) legal debt they were saddled with by previous management and hopefully in the future projects will be handled in a far more professional, competent way... but seeing what has happened at other Six Flags parks recently, my hopes aren't exactly high.

I'll also pitch this: Universal has just successfully built a larger coaster on a more sensitive hillside with far more community engagement requirements than Six Flags has to deal with—and that project seems to have gone MUCH more smoothly than SFMM's Thrill Glider. I believe the differentiator here is almost certainly the competency of the builder, not significantly more headwinds for SFMM vs Universal.
 
I haven't followed every filing or anything, but when I looked into this a while back, it looked like the people experiencing the nightmare were staff at LA County having to deal with a truly incompetent amusement park hamfistedly trying to build a roller coaster with minimal understanding of how to actually accomplish that task legally. It was probably a year ago now when I found this doc, but if I remember correctly, SFMM had just been flaunting storm water regulations for years...? Like, seemingly willfully—racking up tons of unpaid fines? I may have to go find that document again. It was bad.

Especially when you're building a large terrain coaster on an enormous, really complicated hillside—and especially when you're building in California (landslides, earthquakes, etc)—working with local authorities should be one of the first steps in the process. This old Six Flags method of buying an attraction, teasing a ride, planning for its debut, and sometimes even formally announcing it prior to ACTUALLY obtaining permission to build the damn thing is wild and I can really only blame Six Flags when things consistently go sideways as a result.

Hopefully new Six Flags is working through the mountains of figurative (and maybe literal?) legal debt they were saddled with by previous management and hopefully in the future projects will be handled in a far more professional, competent way... but seeing what has happened at other Six Flags parks recently, my hopes aren't exactly high.

I'll also pitch this: Universal has just successfully built a larger coaster on a more sensitive hillside with far more community engagement requirements than Six Flags has to deal with—and that project seems to have gone MUCH more smoothly than SFMM's Thrill Glider. I believe the differentiator here is almost certainly the competency of the builder, not significantly more headwinds for SFMM vs Universal.
So in other words, if they can't get this permitting passed we may have to wait yet again another year. Also, with what I heard, originally the next coaster after the Vekoma Thrill Glider was supposed to be on Samurai Summit, so that would get delayed or even cancelled. What's frustrating is they cleared all those trees demolished the Golden Bear Theater, graded and teraformed the land, for what? No footers have even been poured yet. I loved the color scheme for the new coaster but what good is it to spend millions on coaster track to have it just sitting in the parking lot? I'm sure Vekoma has already been paid.
 
So in other words, if they can't get this permitting passed we may have to wait yet again another year.

I mean, yes, but that is always the case. I don't see a particular reason to think that will happen again for now, but we'll have to wait and see.
 
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So in other words, if they can't get this permitting passed we may have to wait yet again another year. Also, with what I heard, originally the next coaster after the Vekoma Thrill Glider was supposed to be on Samurai Summit, so that would get delayed or even cancelled. What's frustrating is they cleared all those trees demolished the Golden Bear Theater, graded and teraformed the land, for what? No footers have even been poured yet. I loved the color scheme for the new coaster but what good is it to spend millions on coaster track to have it just sitting in the parking lot? I'm sure Vekoma has already been paid.
Did you understand the post by @coaster31 ? This permit was issued. This means it was approved and all fees for the permit have been paid. The contractor can begin work.
 
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