Project 2025/Holzfäller: Big Bad Wolf 2 (B&M Family Invert)
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Ridiculous amount of landscaping going on here. Like I know the area is fairly barren but this is like Roller Coaster Tycoon scenery spam levels of landscaping.
off topic but that monitor and keyboard are giving me flashbacks to how awful HP products were in the late-2000s to early 2010s.
I would be curious to see a side-by-side of the layouts for Holzfaller and Phoenix Rising to scale for comparisons sake of the size of this coaster. My best guess is Holzfaller should be noticeably longer but I don't want to get my hopes up. Either way it's not going to be an incredibly long ride, but bragging rights are always nice
Some general comparisons have already been noted for lengths.
This project is expected (not confirmed) to be roughly 2500 ft in length. In comparison, Phoenix Rising was 1831 ft in length. This project also has two lift hills. For comparison, Verbolten has a track length of around 2800ft and Invadr has a track length of around 2100ft.
Hope that helps!
Revenge of The Big Bad Wolf is somehow in my mind as a contender that the park has on their short list, and a weak one at that...
I'm excited but the name HAS to kick.
I'm excited but the name HAS to kick.
Glad to see B&M likely coming back to the park after an 18 year (!) hiatus. If you told someone in 2007 that, they’d think you have lost their mind after going back-to-back-to-back with critically and commercially successful major roller coaster projects from the manufacturer. Looks like it wil be a big “What-If” over B&M having this model ready 10 years ago instead of now. Hope it works out still; I was never big on the Spire and honestly have always been disappointed the park never got (and very likely will never get) a B&M flyer that dives into the Rhine.
It would also be cool if the flyer dived into a statue of Fabio
A new gen Vekoma flyer that traverses the village and dives to the water would be vastly more exciting than this project, but alas...
At least BGW seems to be committed to a themed experience and having an actual forest in the area - we'll see if the budget for that holds through the project.
At least BGW seems to be committed to a themed experience and having an actual forest in the area - we'll see if the budget for that holds through the project.
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I'm really hoping this all leads up to their next thrill coaster being a significant thematic investment (and hopefully one that breaks the cycle of coasters with 6'4" height limits). There's been a noticeable shift towards theming in the states and I wouldn't be surprised if BGW goes all in if this and Nessie both pay off
Thanks for the numbers, yeah that does give a little perspective but I'm more visual. So based on your numbers provided Holzfaller is indeed significantly longer and the extra lift hill of course adds to the ride time. Still think it would be cool if someone had the track layout for Phoenix Rising similar to the one Zach has provided for Holzfaller so as to juxtapose the two...basically after this new article I can't help but think BGWs new B&M is gonna blow Tampa's out of the water in every way. But I want to see it on paper and gloat
Also remember that unlike BBW, your feet will dangle. The feeling that your feet might scrape the buildings should make up for the lack of swinging.
From being back there at night doing fireworks washdowns, how dark it will be back in that boneyard and even leading up to it can't be understated. Night rides will be fantastic.
I’d really like to see a re-investment in Pantheon with this refocus on theming. Probably won’t happen because it’s still “too new.” But would be a nice upgrade in an “off” year when they’re otherwise not opening a huge new attraction.
Doesn’t need to be crazy. That plaza/fountain they had in the original POV animation by the first launch and a few Roman columns here and there around the field would go a long way.
Doesn’t need to be crazy. That plaza/fountain they had in the original POV animation by the first launch and a few Roman columns here and there around the field would go a long way.
Hell, even just a few trees and shrubs would help.
The rumor that is circulating among park employees is the name is Big Bad Wolf chapter Two dear lord please let this be bad dip n dots guy info.
Could they please try and come up with a name that isn't stupid? Please?
Guys the entry arch logo leaked omg
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I really hope that is the park employees reading too much into the teaser video. If this really is Chapter Two, the only explanation I can think of right now would involve the wolf getting paralyzed to represent the fact that a non-swinging coaster is portraying it.
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