Project 2025/Holzfäller: Big Bad Wolf 2 (B&M Family Invert)
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I mean Vault: XX was a 1-year house. Granted it was just redone to not be the 20 years Theme, but still.
I feel like festhaus park coaster for 2026 is more likely, as we got pantheon last year and darkoaster this year. Also with nevermore being in drachen fires station, i could definitely see them pushing it back to 2026, which will be the parks 50th.
Oktoberfest opened in 1976. Also, that’s why Roll Out The Barrel ran in Das Festhaus in 2015 and 2016, since that show was a 40th anniversary show for the park itself and then just for the Oktoberfest section.
Are you operating a year ahead of everyone else
I've said it before, I'll say it again...give me a FLYING COASTER! Theme it something with Drachen. Boom!
Sorry to disappoint you but there's a reason why a B&M flyer hasn't been built in the US in 14 years since Manta at SeaWorld opened. And only four have been built in Asia since then with the last being seven years ago at Universal Studios Japan. Parks have no interest in them at the moment and with more companies offering coasters nowadays they have more of a variety to choose from.
That being said, I'd love to see BGW or any park here in the USA install something like F.L.Y. at Phantasialand. I look forward to riding it next year.
Here's an off-ride POV of F.L.Y. No on-ride POV exists as the park hasn't released one and they won't allow riders to film.
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Isn't Manta highly regarded though? You make a valid point though.
p.s. that theming around that F.L.Y. ride looks incredible. And yes give us that at BGW. I mean most of the other coasters at BG are based on some animal or object flying...it makes so much sense haha.
Manta and Tatsu are both highly regarded. But B&M flyers are pretty much passé within the amusement industry here in the USA. I've been going to Orlando during IAAPA week for the last decade and there's been absolutely no buzz about any domestic parks wanting a B&M flyer.
I presume they could pull off some kind of FLY-like ride with less theming, but I don't want to see that in the slightest. FLY was very fun, but the theming is really what makes that ride what it is IMO. The whole experience is absolutely top notch. Phantasialand is one of the few parks in the world that can pull off theming of that caliber, I don't think BGW would/could come close to that level of theming or overall experience.
Same kind of philosophy as Pantheon to me; the ride better be fantastic if the theming is absent.
Same kind of philosophy as Pantheon to me; the ride better be fantastic if the theming is absent.
I wonder if this is due to low marketability (tallest/fastest/longest coaster of a particular model but otherwise not outstanding on the stats sheets compared to even other rides in the same park let alone region), high cost for development and construction compared to other models of similar length/height, and/or inherently low capacity/slow operations due to restraint design and the added time it takes to raise and lower to/from the flying position plus the actual cycle and load time?
Low marketability is definitely a factor. They can only make them so big and fast. They also have a reputation of being intense and I know quite a few industry people who loathe the pretzel loop inversions on them. Capacity wouldn't be too much of an issue if the parks that have them can fully staff the ride and run all trains seamlessly. However that rarely happens nowadays. Also, I'm not sure about the other flyers at other parks but when I go to SeaWorld Orlando I notice Manta has a lot more downtime than Kraken and Mako - sometimes it's down for a bit and sometimes it's down all day.
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Manta’s downtime mostly comes from how it raises/lowers the Trains. I remember ElToroRyan mentioning something about the way it communicates that causes a large amount of downtime.
At 8:49 in the video he starts explaining how the system worked. He then explains the trains complexity as well, which would likely cause a significant amount of downtime. 8:49-19:10 is the section that explains just how complex the B&M Flyer model is.
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I was thinking about that video when mentioning low capacity, but I think he mentioned B&M made upgrades to the communications systems between controls and trains for all flyers (or upgraded the SF ride and subsequent installations, including Manta, didn't start out with the less reliable system).
However, if the entire ride is down as @Unagi suggested then it's likely some kind of maintenance issue or no staffing available, and not the time it takes to raise/lower and unload/load.
well after Mach Tower's problems, BGW is not going to get a ride that tends to be down a lot haha.
Thanks for the insight everyone. I've never ridden a flying coaster, just heard some great things and watching clips online - looks amazing. Batwing isn't too far from where I live (that park though, meh).
Thanks for the insight everyone. I've never ridden a flying coaster, just heard some great things and watching clips online - looks amazing. Batwing isn't too far from where I live (that park though, meh).
It was most likely maintenance. When I rode Mako and Kraken those days I didn't notice any staffing issues but they could've easily dispersed the Manta crew to work each of the other B&Ms.
As far as ETR's video goes showing the complexity of the B&M Flyers, that can very well be off-putting for parks to want to deal with which is probably why we've only seen 11 built worldwide since it debuted 21 years ago.
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