Project 2025/Caldera: Rapterra (Launched B&M Wing Coaster)

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themeparktribune said:
Some people prefer not to be punched in the stomach by the lap bar repeatedly like Twisted Timbers and some other RMCs do. Great coasters don't have to hurt, despite what the thoosie vloggers may believe.
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it’s entirely fine for people to have different opinions of roller coasters. I have stated on here before that everyone enjoys every ride differently due to a number of reasons including personal body dimensions. I love wing coasters, some people think they’re boring.

I’m also entitled to my opinion that I prefer every RMC I’ve ridden to every B&M floorless coaster I have ridden and that is due to my being tall, broad shouldered, making the B&M OTSR feel like it clamps my entire upper half, and somebody who strongly enjoys ejector airtime and the interesting inversion concepts brought on by RMC. If somebody prefers a B&M floorless coaster to an RMC good for them, no skin off my back but I can think what I want about the roller coasters I have ridden personally.
 
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Mushroom said:
Two, and much more egregiously, the FOF show building sticks out like a sore thumb. I really wish they’d painted it to at least “age” it like TT’s station exterior, or painted a big Whey Foundation seal on the side or something. Or maybe the rumors are sadly true and FOF isn’t much longer for this world and they didn’t want to invest anything into the show building.
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Disagree, I'm surprised how rapidly I tune the FoF building out. On a grey day it's the same color as the sky. I noticed how the tall part of the building is framed when first entering the giant bird arch so no edges of the building are visible, it's all uniform wall. Then you're usually distracted downwards moving forward as the edges appear. The alignment is too perfect to be a coincidence. The station also helps to obscure FoF.

I'm looking forwards to being able to ride Rapterra with all the rides of that section, should be really good. I'm leaning towards it being #3 in park but just enjoying something new and fresh.
 
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CoasterAuditor said:
I feel like the captaincoaster score is gonna take a hit by thoosies claiming roughness. I rode with some enthusiasts that traveled down for it, they rode in the back left seat and we came back into the brakes with them saying it was “terrible” for the roughness. I was honestly flabbergasted in that moment. There is vibration and bounciness on Rapterra but it doesn’t really impact the ride like it does on Iron Menace (which is not significant either really just more noticeable than Rapterra).

I will say after I got on X-Flight last year there is 0 difference between that ride and Rapterra in this regard. Wild Eagle did seem like it was glass smooth I’d need to go back and ride again now with Rapterra open to see if there’s a noticeable difference at all. Regardless, claiming the ride is “terrible” or that it’s one of the worst wings because of “roughness” is a bit extreme of a take honestly. I even saw The Coaster Spot say it was “no Wild Eagle” “no Thunderbird” “no Gatekeeper” in his vlog from it and man I could not disagree more. It’s probably the best B&M built in the US since Candymonium and Orion.
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Like literally everything, the hardcore “fans” are the absolute worst. I refuse to accept opinions from hardcore fandoms for movies, comics, tv shows, food places, and of course, rollecoasters. Their opinion means literally nothing to me, since they typically hate everything they claim to love, or make unfair comparisons to non-like things in the same or semi-same realm.

Thoosies are the absolute worst people to take advice or opinions from on rollercoasters.
 
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jwranson said:
Like literally everything, the hardcore “fans” are the absolute worst. I refuse to accept opinions from hardcore fandoms for movies, comics, tv shows, food places, and of course, rollecoasters. Their opinion means literally nothing to me, since they typically hate everything they claim to love, or make unfair comparisons to non-like things in the same or semi-same realm.

Thoosies are the absolute worst people to take advice or opinions from on rollercoasters.
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That last line is kind of harsh honestly? We should be discussing Rapterra. But that’s just incorrect. I’d argue on “roller coasters” in general the “absolute worst” people to take advice from would probably be people who have never seen or heard of a roller coaster or don’t believe in gravity as a concept?

Captaincoaster is a useful reference for identifying what rides are worth checking out among other resources. It’s interesting when out of 100 people 90 of them think a ride is a 5 out of 5.
 
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jwranson said:
Like literally everything, the hardcore “fans” are the absolute worst. I refuse to accept opinions from hardcore fandoms for movies, comics, tv shows, food places, and of course, rollecoasters. Their opinion means literally nothing to me, since they typically hate everything they claim to love, or make unfair comparisons to non-like things in the same or semi-same realm.

Thoosies are the absolute worst people to take advice or opinions from on rollercoasters.
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I honestly wish thoosies would just be more tolerant of other thoosies coaster opinions, like I’ve gotten crap for almost all my opinions. For example, for placing thunder striker in my top 10 and saying Rapterra is actually pretty smooth.
 
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CoasterAuditor said:
That last line is kind of harsh honestly? We should be discussing Rapterra. But that’s just incorrect. I’d argue on “roller coasters” in general the “absolute worst” people to take advice from would probably be people who have never seen or heard of a roller coaster or don’t believe in gravity as a concept?

Captaincoaster is a useful reference for identifying what rides are worth checking out among other resources. It’s interesting when out of 100 people 90 of them think a ride is a 5 out of 5.
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Nah. I would say the same thing about trusting a hardcore star wars "fan" about the latest star wars show on Disney+, or a Marvel comics "fan" about the latest MCU film. Hardcore "Fans" are the wrong people to take advice from on the subject they allege themselves to be a fan of. People say star wars fans ruined star wars for a reason. It's the same with coasters. People unfamiliar with coasters or gravity in general would likely not proactively give unsolicited opinions about the topic like thoosies.
 
cschnizer said:
Just now heard from Coaster Studios’ review that Rapterra cost $30 million. Holy shit is that true?
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That wouldn’t surprise me at all. I305 cost $25 million, and that was a decade and a half ago. And while I305 is a bigger ride, Rapterra also has a launch, more complicated trains, and a good chunk of theming and landscaping. Plus, I wouldn’t be surprised if the cost Volcano’s demolition was included in the overall cost of the project.

It’s hilarious seeing thoosies complain “we could’ve gotten so much more for $30 million” as if $30 million isn’t more or less the going rate for major coasters these days, Rapterra isn’t a major and complex coaster, and it’s not 2010 anymore.
 
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CoasterBroCam said:
I’m honestly surprised Taylor kept the complaining down. He seemed very civil about the roughness and didn’t really cry about it that much unlike most people on this forum
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He's well acquainted with the people who run the park and has a heavy emotional investment in it because it was his home park growing up. If the same coaster were built at different park that he's not as attached to, it wouldn't surprise if he were more critical and shaved a point or two off his score. In any case, it's good publicity for KD that one of the biggest coaster channels gave Rapterra a pretty decent review, so I'm happy about that.
 
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CoasterBroCam said:
and didn’t really cry about it that much unlike most people on this forum
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Where have "most people on this forum" been "cry[ing] about it?"

I'm sure there have been one or two people who have been more critical, but from what I've seen in this thread, the average position 'round here is that it's a little bouncy—more bouncy than other wings—but it doesn't detract from the ride experience in any substantive way and it's not "rough." That's literally Taylor's position conveyed in his video too.

Just seems weird to ascribe such an extreme position to "most people on this forum" when, unless I've missed a lot of posts, it just doesn't seem to be even remotely accurate.

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He's well acquainted with the people who run the park and has a heavy emotional investment in it because it was his home park growing up. If the same coaster were built at different park that he's not as attached to, it wouldn't surprise if he were more critical and shaved a point or two off his score.
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I don't see any reason anyone should have to believe that Taylor was in any way biased with his review in favor of KD and attempting to psychoanalyze his review in this way feels a little weird.
 
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cschnizer said:
Just now heard from Coaster Studios’ review that Rapterra cost $30 million. Holy shit is that true?
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I actually have a cameo in that video at 1:10-1:13.

Please do not try to guess which goober on the train is me and I definitely don’t need to pull that shot for my avatar on here. Nope.
 
Mushroom said:
It’s hilarious seeing thoosies complain “we could’ve gotten so much more for $30 million” as if $30 million isn’t more or less the going rate for major coasters these days, Rapterra isn’t a major and complex coaster, and it’s not 2010 anymore.
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I also feel like so many people don't sit and think about that number fully. Not just the coaster and trains, but also the paths, the utilities work that needed done, all the theme elements, the queue, all that stuff likely factoring into that number and it's worth the $30MM. It grinds my gears when people talk about those numbers as just the cost of the steel and structure alone.

Especially when no one gets a look at a balance sheet and knows where all the costs goes to.

Just for comparison:
Best estimate for Wild Eagle: $20MM
Thunderbird: $22MM

Adjusting for inflation since their build dates:
Wild Eagle: $27MM
Thunderbird: $29.6MM

And to consider that those were built on plots without any pre-existing structure that needed to have anything potentially removed or relocated (tends to be more expensive than 'blank slate'), are about the same length, and don't have the extensive theme elements that Rapterra has, I would actually suggest we did get more for Rapterra than Dollywood or Holiday World got for their investment.

Sorry for the mini rant off your post @Mushroom , People just grind my gears when numbers are talked about on flat paper without considering everything in the project and inflation. It's such a simplistic minded thing to do that would allow someone to complain because they like complaining.
 
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Just got my first ride, it’s not rough and doesn’t really have a rattle in the front seat. I think it feels somewhat shakey because of the force and speed you take to the elements. I305/Pantherian has this same thing where it feels like it’s all shaking but it’s not rough. Bottom of Griffon’s drop does the same thing. Doesn’t take away from the experience at all. Overall, it’s a perfect addition and only complaint is it’s a tad short. The way you take those inversions is perfect and the launch is punchy. Best part is the inversion right after the flyover. 3rd best in the park behind Twisted Timbers and Pantherian
 
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