alpengeists and apollo’s are heavier than griffon believe it or not
Project 2022: Pantheon
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So then why was Griffon's so heavy they had to remove the floor to make it work?
Probably because while Griffon's train applies less weight to the track, it does so along a much shorter length of track. Fewer wheels to spread the load.
My understanding was that it never had a floor in its design.
Your probably right. Its probably because Griffon only has 12 road wheels where as Apollo has 40. Either way, no one has answered the original question: Is 6T a decent weight for a full train, or do we think this is only a part of a train?
I couldn't find it - are there 5 cars to a train? If so, I'd say this shipment is a train. The bill of lading says "quality - 6"... So 5 cars and the zero car?
With their new lightweight construction, I could imagine it with as little as recorded.
With their new lightweight construction, I could imagine it with as little as recorded.
During the roller coaster insider tour we were told the Nessie's entire train weighs ~3 tons. That is approx. the same weight as one of Griffon's cars, making a Griffon train ~9 tons.
I remember hearing two numbers for Griffon: 9 tons and 11 tons, both on the Roller Coaster Insider tour.
I suspect the difference is that with 30 riders aboard, you add roughly 5,000 lb or 2.5 tons. And if the empty train's actual weight rounds up to 9 tons, then the fully loaded weight will round down to 11 tons... just a suspicion.
I suspect the difference is that with 30 riders aboard, you add roughly 5,000 lb or 2.5 tons. And if the empty train's actual weight rounds up to 9 tons, then the fully loaded weight will round down to 11 tons... just a suspicion.
So 6 Tons sounds like a reasonable weight for a train with 5 cars and a zero car.
Can confirm that a Griffon train weighs 9 tons, a Nessie train weighs 3 tons, and Apollo and Alpie are somewhere between 12-14 tons a piece. 6 ton trains would be extraordinarily light.
Not sure why you would say that. They are half the width of Alpie or Apollo's trains, which logically would be about 6-7 tons.
One thing really stands out to me about these numbers. I recall hearing on recorded coaster tours that mechanics were answering questions about weight and the effect on the ride experience. The mechanic was basically saying that trains like Apollo or Alpie are so heavy that rider weight has little impact.
That makes sense to me with the numbers above as they account for roughly only 15-20% of the total weight.
With all that said,
With these lighter trains, 20 riders could be up to 4000 lbs - 2 tons.
So riders will be adding proportionately a lot more weight than other rides.
I wonder how that might as affect the ride performance as I imagine riding Pantheon with you as the only passenger to be a potentially very different experience than a full train.
We might not know until past this year I suspect as Pantheon will likely always have enough for a (nearly) full car.
That makes sense to me with the numbers above as they account for roughly only 15-20% of the total weight.
With all that said,
With these lighter trains, 20 riders could be up to 4000 lbs - 2 tons.
So riders will be adding proportionately a lot more weight than other rides.
I wonder how that might as affect the ride performance as I imagine riding Pantheon with you as the only passenger to be a potentially very different experience than a full train.
We might not know until past this year I suspect as Pantheon will likely always have enough for a (nearly) full car.
I believe that modern coasters have ways of changing the launch forces based on how much weight the train has on board.
I'm sure @ControlsEE has more accurate info, but I recall reading that launch coasters have programming that adjusts the "power" of the launch based upon weight, etc.
(@Thomas types faster)
Yes, I am definitely aware of the launch power adjustment.. but the change in weight will still modify the ride experience.
A lighter train accelerated to a similar speed (i.e. the acceleration down other side of the top hat) as a full train would likely make the airtime hill effects a bit higher as the loss of speed climbing the hill would be less.
A lighter train accelerated to a similar speed (i.e. the acceleration down other side of the top hat) as a full train would likely make the airtime hill effects a bit higher as the loss of speed climbing the hill would be less.
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