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JohnD said:
Page 83, passage #142 a good read. Consistent with the BGW clues - points to Hercules. Note spelling, “Herakles.” What’s old might be new again: BGW could use such a variant spelling to secure trademark protection.

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'Herakles won immortality by his journey into the nether world and into the garden of the gods...'
As stated above, Heracles is the Greek name for Hercules, but this passage does seem to really connect with BGW clues.
 
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Drachenwolf said:
'Herakles won immortality by his journey into the nether world and into the garden of the gods...'
As stated above, Heracles is the Greek name for Hercules, but this passage does seem to really connect with BGW clues.
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Appolo (Chariot) is Greek as well. I could see Fiesta being re-themed to Greece. One of the round flat rides renamed to Delphi, etc.

Edit: position the hamlet re-theming to Greece as part of the 20th anniversary celebration for Appolo’s Chariot. Bookend re-theming with new Hercules coaster.
 
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Nicole said:
Apollo has the same name in Ancient Greek and Latin.

Given all of the marketing is using Roman numerals, I’d be very surprised to see them go with the Greek forms of the gods.
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Yes, very true.
Being the the initiative was project-coded ‘Madrid,’ however, I’m not sure if I’d trust Roman numerals any more than a running of the bulls.
 
Thomas said:
MMXX is not related to Project Madrid. That was cancelled as has been discussed.
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Yes, indeed. As I recall, when news broke about the present coaster’s layout, in early February, the project was being referred to as ‘Madrid.’ It was afterwards re-named/reported as project 2020, and subsequently branded as MMXX.
 
JohnD said:
Yes, indeed. As I recall, when news broke about the present coaster’s layout, in early February, the project was being referred to as ‘Madrid.’ It was afterwards re-named/reported as project 2020, and subsequently branded as MMXX.
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It was actually at the May James City council meeting when we got 100% confirmation that project Madrid had been cancelled. Nothing before then clearly indicated such.
 
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Is there any chance the name ‘Madrid’ was a decoy from the beginning, to obscure what the eventual theming and marketing of the coaster would be?
 
JohnD said:
Yes, very true.
Being the the initiative was project-coded ‘Madrid,’ however, I’m not sure if I’d trust Roman numerals any more than a running of the bulls.
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JohnD said:
Yes, indeed. As I recall, when news broke about the present coaster’s layout, in early February, the project was being referred to as ‘Madrid.’ It was afterwards re-named/reported as project 2020, and subsequently branded as MMXX.
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JohnD said:
Is there any chance the name ‘Madrid’ was a decoy from the beginning, to obscure what the eventual theming and marketing of the coaster would be?
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In the past SEAS uses large cities as codenames for large additions to the parks. The fact that it was named Madrid most likely didn't have anything to do witg what the plan was. It was simply a major European City that the park hadn't yet. If intentional it was most likely used as a red herring for the initial filings so that people would assume that it was a spain expansion that would build up more hype. In fact I don't think that BGW would have used that codename if in fact they were building Spain as that would have been obvious.

As far it being a decoy the initial project was certainly not a decoy as they invested resources in the planning of it. It's more likely the name was a red herring.

Edit: there is no proof that the original name was a red herring of any kind. It's most likely that the city name was chosen at random by someone in D&E at the start and it had nothing to do with what the project entailed. I still think that if the project had included a spain expansion they would not have used a Spanish City as the codename
 
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JohnD said:
Is there any chance the name ‘Madrid’ was a decoy from the beginning, to obscure what the eventual theming and marketing of the coaster would be?
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I realize you're playing catch-up here...but maybe 150 or so pages back (maybe more) there was discussion that SEAS used major city names as codes for being projects. Madrid was one such code name. There is zero confirmation about what the project entailed; just speculation.

Over the course of time (long before the Festa Field project was known) there was a long standing rumor that the next hamlet was to be Spain. Thus, when the first Festa Field rumors took flight (it was a balloon height test... hence the pun) and the project name surfaced it was assumed the 315 height ride would be the foundation for a new Spain hamlet. Again, nothing was ever confirmed.

I was typing, albeit slower, than the above post. Sorry for repetition.
 
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BGWnut said:
In the past SEAS uses large cities as codenames for large additions to the parks. The fact that it was named Madrid most likely didn't have anything to do when what the plan was. It was simply a major European City that the park hadn't yet. It was most likely used as a red herring for the initial filings so that people would assume that it was a spain expansion that would build up more hype. In fact I don't think that BGW would have used that codename if in fact they were building Spain as that would have been obvious.

As far it being a decoy the everything project was certainly not a decoy as they invested resources in the planning of it. It's more likely the name was a red herring.
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Thank you for confirming suspicion, and fully agree with red herring assessment (what I meant by decoy). I’m not in the industry, but can quite imagine based on my own experience the theming brainstorming, creative development, messaging, legal review, etc. takes a considerable amount of time. A 300 vs. 200 ft drop being an orthogonal factor.
 
GrandpaD said:
I realize you're playing catch-up here...but maybe 150 or so pages back (maybe more) there was discussion that SEAS used major city names as codes for being projects. Madrid was one such code name. There is zero confirmation about what the project entailed; just speculation.

Over the course of time (long before the Festa Field project was known) there was a long standing rumor that the next hamlet was to be Spain. Thus, when the first Festa Field rumors took flight (it was a balloon height test... hence the pun) and the project name surfaced it was assumed the 315 height ride would be the foundation for a new Spain hamlet. Again, nothing was ever confirmed.

I was typing, albeit slower, than the above post. Sorry for repetition.
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Thank you.
 
JohnD said:
Thank you for confirming suspicion, and fully agree with red herring assessment (what I meant by decoy). I’m not in the industry, but can quite imagine based on my own experience the theming brainstorming, creative development, messaging, legal review, etc. takes a considerable amount of time. A 300 vs. 200 ft drop being an orthogonal factor.
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The 315 foot height waiver was likely not a red herring. The park would not have gone to the trouble to request that much if they only planned to go to 180.

Just like the 355 foot waiver is not a red herring.
 
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Lol @BGWnut sometimes you give SEAS more credit than might be due. You believe the Madrid project name was a red herring. It might have been...or not. Absolutely nothing regarding that cancelled project has been confirmed...only speculation. Was it just a coaster? A hamlet and a coaster?

And no @madmax we don't know if MadridBot was right.
 
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