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Thomas said:
Here's the real question: would they really go through the trouble of engineering and installing this long of a launch that you pass through 3 times just to get to 76 MPH? If rides like Storm Runner can hit those speeds from a standstill, why would they bother with this complicated launch if it wasn't to build up enough speed to clear a large top hat?
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Storm Runner is also a hydraulic launch with a cable.
 
b.mac said:
Variety of factors:

  • Less energy consumption using the launch
  • Theoretically less wear and tear on the electrical components of the launch due to less energy required
  • Pads ride length without having to add extra track
  • Easily marketable "reverse" section of the ride.
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If that's the case it's going to be a comically slow acceleration and use next to no power.

I know we're not talking about it but what is what if the 76 MPH is where the first drop after the zero-g-screw is?
 
I'm with Thomas on this... (Gods did I just say that?) I have exactly zero evidence and I see nothing that I feel is definitive in any case. This thing just is a monster in general. It has a number of over the top elements. BGW has never been bashful when it comes to first, biggest, fastest, or tallest. When I look at this ride 70mph or even 75 mph seems... Underwhelming. It just seems unlikely that they would have a grand buildup for such little return. Beyond that, why Intimin if not giga? Regardless of their preferences towards Intimin, clearly they have avoided them. So why go to them for a relatively short top hat?

I just don't buy it. I think BGW is swinging for the fences with this. They did not want another boring top hat, nor did they want a typical shuttle. They did not want a ride that was over before it began. But they wanted all of these elements. So now they found the one manufacture that was nuts enough to do it.

If I were a betting man, and I am not, I would speculate wildly that this is a 300+ giga with a near if not full 300+ spike. I will not guess what the top speed will be, but I do not believe it will be in the 70s.
 
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why are people still using a leaked slide as gospel? especially when SEAS said that nothing was finalized let that slide go, let it go, let it go . . . etc.

there is not enough proof or evidence to verify that the slide was entirely accurate, even if most of it does seem to be that way, you can't say it all is
 
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Okay missed some of this discussion. Not quoting or highlighting anyone for it but here goes the tl;dr.

  • A lot of people here overestimate the power of LSMs
  • The launch track is at most 200 feet long maybe give or take a couple of feet in either direction
  • The point of a triple launch is not the force of the launch, but the added experience of an intentional rollback.
  • This is going to be one of the first coasters of its kind in the US that doesn't require a ticket to Florida or International Lands, be excited for that.
  • Literally everything about the slide has been correct so far and the thing holding some of you up is the reported top speed?
 
The "leaked slide are gospel" people need to think critically about the "confirmed" slide info for a moment.

"BGW 2020" – Yes, naturally
"Family Thrill Coaster" – Meaningless and inaccurate given...
"54" Rider Height" – I assume this is right?
"76MPH" – ???
"Multi-launch shuttle coaster" – Correct, cornerstone-element of the ride
"Fastest Coaster in BGW" – Seems really obvious...
"Final Drop and Max Speed Seen from Italy Bridge" – Another cornerstone ride element

So... It's really not like the slide has provided confirmed stats or anything else that specific thus far. It correctly identifies the two elements of this coaster I'd consider to be the cornerstones (multi-launch shuttle setup and the Rhine drop)–the two elements almost certainly finalized first.
 
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Like I asked though:
Is it possible 76mph is the first launch speed you reach after the inversion?
 
For folks like me that have a hard time visualizing...here's what the spike looks like on SwD.

And, my idea of a name...with a throwback to good ol Drachen Fire...Thytus, the wyvern of Terni....a river dragon. The LSM sounds are the "roar of the dragon".
 

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b.mac said:
Okay missed some of this discussion. Not quoting or highlighting anyone for it but here goes the tl;dr.

  • A lot of people here overestimate the power of LSMs
  • The launch track is at most 200 feet long maybe give or take a couple of feet in either direction
  • The point of a triple launch is not the force of the launch, but the added experience of an intentional rollback.
  • This is going to be one of the first coasters of its kind in the US that doesn't require a ticket to Florida or International Lands, be excited for that.
  • Literally everything about the slide has been correct so far and the thing holding some of you up is the reported top speed?
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So I want to break this down a little bit, because going only to ~72 mph is going to be a triple launch that's REALLY lame compared to the remainder of the coasters elements.

From a standstill, a total of 72 MPH speed, built up the same over the 3 launches mean's its getting 24 mph per launch. Based on Parc Astix's animation it takes 3.53 seconds per launch, the acceleration would be 10.06 feet per second squared. That would be slower acceleration than Backlot Stunt coaster.

To give you a rough idea based on the guess of the 200 foot long launch section:
Superman Escape from Krypton's launch section is roughly 600 feet long (roughly the number of feet P2020 would see). SMEfK hit's a sop speed of 104 mph with a top height of 328 feet. That one launches at ~22 feet per second squared.

Another comparison point is Cheetah Hunt. It's first launch hits 30 mph in roughly 3 seconds for an acceleration of 14 feet per second squared.

So if that 76 MPH on the second drop is to believed, the acceleration in the launch area is going to be less than the first launch of Cheetah Hunt.

And that's assuming stand still. Even if it comes in at 10 mph and gets to 50 mph with the first launch, it's only accelerating 16.7 feet per second.
 
For what it's worth, the only coaster operating that's similar is Soaring with Dragon. Both it and the PA demo have somewhat similar stats.

Top speed - SwD 77; PA 66.5mph
Spike Height - SwD 196ft; PA 167ft
Max Height - SwD 187ft; PA 146ft

SwD averages 55-60mph but is a much wide open design.
The launch track of the BGW (according to folks at r/rollercoasters) appears slightly longer than SwD.

@warfelg - From the PA presentation the chyrons show the first launch toward the top hat is 51mph. Coming backwards toward the spike the second launch is 60mph. Final launch to crest the top hat is 67mph. The initial drop from the top hat is 66.5mph.

Edit - corrected PA top speed.
 
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