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GrandpaD said:
I found an article specifically about the collars -

There have been mixed feelings about the comfort collar on Tempesto. There seems to be some confusion on their purpose. When we spoke to park officials about this on hard hat day, we were told that the comfort collars were just for that, comfort. Not necessarily to give you comfort in the physical sense, like sitting in a soft recliner, but more for peace of mind.
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Then that's it--the "Drachen Effect." Safety theater to increase the public's "peace of mind."

Hopefully the park is aware of such "mixed feelings" as well. And if there's no financial reason (insurance) then maybe they can convinced that people would have more "peace of mind" knowing they don't need to deal with the discomfort of having extra comfort.
 
GrandpaD said:
I'd agree. The only aspect of this whole journey I don't get is why Intamin went though all the theatrics of "world's first this and that" for Parc Asterix knowing full well the crux of their design was coming up BGW first.
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Did they though? I went back and looked at some of the stories... and while they reference how many LSMs, inversions, air time moments, speed, etc... I can't find any superlatives (biggest, fastest, most, etc.).

I can't even find an authoritative source (Intamin press release, etc.). Only enthusiast reporting.

That's not to say they didn't... It's been a while and my memory or search engine ninja skills may be lacking...

But point is, they may not have even advertised anything that really would be "upstaged," from a bragging rights perspective, by Madrid. Couple that with different market attitudes about such announcements anyway, and when they're made relative to the openings...and Park Astérix may not really have any crow to eat, so to speak, and to the extent they do, they may not even care...
 
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Did they though? I went back and looked at some of the stories... and while they reference how many LSMs, inversions, air time moments, speed, etc... I can't find any superlatives (biggest, fastest, most, etc.).

I can't even find an authoritative source (Intamin press release, etc.). Only enthusiast reporting.

That's not to say they didn't... It's been a while and my memory or search engine ninja skills may be lacking...

But point is, they may not have even advertised anything that really would be "upstaged," from a bragging rights perspective, by Madrid. Couple that with different market attitudes about such announcements anyway, and when they're made relative to the openings...and Park Astérix may not really have any crow to eat, so to speak, and to the extent they do, they may not even care...
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The only stats I saw them advertise were for the Walibi Project where it'd have the first non-inverting Cobra Roll and most air time moments on any coaster. The other one (the one everyone's focusing on) just threw out a bunch of numbers and nothing about world records or worlds firsts.
 
b.mac said:
The only stats I saw them advertise were for the Walibi Project where it'd have the first non-inverting Cobra Roll and most air time moments on any coaster. The other one (the one everyone's focusing on) just threw out a bunch of numbers and nothing about world records or worlds firsts.
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Since I was bored early in February I watched the Parc Asterix presentation and wrote down what they had on the screen and posted them.. Since I don't know how to link my previous post here are key factors they had -


GrandpaD

Feb 10,
The length of the Parc Asterix projected coaster is 4,465 ft and lasted about 1:35 seconds.

In their full presentation for the coaster at Parc Asterix here are the key points they had on the screen -
  • Most roller coaster elements on any LSM - 30 unique elements
  • Single launch and triple half-pipe launch
  • State of the art high dynamic triple half-pipe launch with world's first ultra fast side switch with forward, back and forward launch
  • World's first dynamic launch sequence featuring 8 different airtime experiences
  • World's first launch coaster with anticipation stall allowing unique cliffhanging experience with 101 degree drop angle
  • Most airtime elements on any roller coaster worldwide (23 times around or below 0g)
  • Prelaunch dip out of station
  • Initial launch 39mph
  • Second "boost" (forward to top hat) 51mph
  • 0g stall on top hat
  • Third boost (backwards) 60mph
  • Up spike (167ft) with 3.5 seconds 0g stall
  • Fourth "boost" to top hat 67 mph
  • Top Hat 147ft
 
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So if that presentation is anything to go by then BGW's likely will stall for the transfer track to slide and not have the air time bump in the middle of the launch. It also will likely not feature a stall moment at the top of the top hat.

It became pretty obvious when the footers first got posted that this ride was not going to be as big as Park Asterix's planned coaster, so expecting 30 elements and 23 moments of air time was very optimistic.
 
I don't think anyone said we'd get all that was in the PA presentation. A few people (including myself) pointed out it appeared to be shorter and missing some elements, notably from station to switch track.

I don't know how, from what little we've seen, you can emphatically come to the conclusion that there'll be no high speed switch, no airtime bump on launch and no stall. Basically, you're saying we're getting more of a Soaring with Dragon than a PA version. I just don't see it.
 
Thanks. Missed that somehow. Well, here's another possibility... Madrid will have a handful of superlatives upon opening, and will hold them for a year only to be outdone by Park Astérix. That happens all the time anyway, just happens we know the future this time. ;)
 
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GrandpaD said:
Since I was bored early in February I watched the Parc Asterix presentation and wrote down what they had on the screen and posted them.. Since I don't know how to link my previous post here are key factors they had -


GrandpaD

Feb 10,
The length of the Parc Asterix projected coaster is 4,465 ft and lasted about 1:35 seconds.

In their full presentation for the coaster at Parc Asterix here are the key points they had on the screen -
  • Most roller coaster elements on any LSM - 30 unique elements
  • Single launch and triple half-pipe launch
  • State of the art high dynamic triple half-pipe launch with world's first ultra fast side switch with forward, back and forward launch
  • World's first dynamic launch sequence featuring 8 different airtime experiences
  • World's first launch coaster with anticipation stall allowing unique cliffhanging experience with 101 degree drop angle
  • Most airtime elements on any roller coaster worldwide (23 times around or below 0g)
  • Prelaunch dip out of station
  • Initial launch 39mph
  • Second "boost" (forward to top hat) 51mph
  • 0g stall on top hat
  • Third boost (backwards) 60mph
  • Up spike (167ft) with 3.5 seconds 0g stall
  • Fourth "boost" to top hat 67 mph
  • Top Hat 147ft
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It's also possible that the video was made by PA and intamin just showed it during their presentation. PA might just unaware of what BGW's ride will be. Or at the time intamin just decided to market PAs as world's first so they could get some buzz at IAAPA while both knew that this coaster wouldn't be the world's first because BGW would be first but it's unannounced.
 
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I do think that is the more likely scenario. I think it's just marketing buzz and they know that BGW will actually be the first but they are just letting PA get the buzz until BGW is announced
 
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BGWnut said:
I do think that is the more likely scenario. I think it's just marketing buzz and they know that BGW will actually be the first but they are just letting PA get the buzz until BGW is announced
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The first announcement of what would be the world's first versus the announcement of what will be the world's first.

Semantics... but even if their announcement may not be 100% accurate in retrospect, it was at the time given that Madrid isn't announced therefore isn't real... At this point, without someone jumping in front of them, they will be first. And technically there's a slight chance that Madrid wouldn't be for some reason, even if PA and Intamin have inside knowledge that the likely plan will see Madrid open first.

It's kinda like the skyscraper race to the sky... 40 Wall St. was announced to be the world's tallest, but was ultimately trumped by the Chrysler building when they pushed their spire upwards. (Ironic, given that Trump owns the "trumped" 40 Wall St. building). That didn't make 40 Wall St. "wrong" at the time they announced.

Only in this case, it's much friendlier competition and Intamin wins both times.
 
Holy shit, is this the first time BGW has done this for a next year project? Does this confirm they'll at least mention it at Pass Member preview day?
 
But like... physically on the map they teased it a few years before? I don't remember that. It's been a decade almost though, I may be wrong.

EDIT: Verbolten wasn't on it a year before but Griffon was back in 2006.
 
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