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I'm trying to find a park dumb enough to drop that kind of money on a coaster.

Last one that came to mind was Six Flags Magic Mountain, but they killed a manufacturer in the process of building X.

It's not realistic unless you're Disney or Universal as they are the only ones with the capital to make something this long.

Steel Dragon 2000 had a price tag of $52 million back in 1999 when the price of steel was cheap. Nowadays, depending on the demand, the price of steel is about 3-4 times more than it was at the beginning of the century. Even then no other giga was made until I-305 a decade later and none of them ever since has come close in length to SD2000.
 
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It's not realistic unless you're Disney or Universal as they are the only ones with the capital to make something this long.

Steel Dragon 2000 had a price tag of $52 million back in 1999 when the price of steel was cheap. Nowadays, depending on the demand, the price of steel is about 3-4 times more than it was at the beginning of the century. Even then no other giga was made until I-305 a decade later and none of them ever since has come close in length to SD2000.

Don't forget, SD2K was also MASSIVELY overbuilt to survive earthquakes. Wasn't just the length.
 
I just posted this as a reply to someone on /r/rollercoasters:

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Here [above] is all of the information in the "BGW 2020" part of the presentation just as it is formatted in the actual PowerPoint slides that have been leaked to all of these different enthusiast outlets.

Included alongside those bits of information are two images of what seem to purport to be concept art for the project. The coaster in the concept art seems to feature a very tall spire (it appears to be significantly taller than Apollo's Chariot's lift hill in the concept art). The rest of the layout is hard to make out. What is visible in the concept art (aside from the height) doesn't seem to match up very well with what BGWFans has been publishing about the project.


I told you all I was ready to talk... You just have to start asking the right questions. ?
 
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That's a very....interesting......leak to say the least. That slide seems very 'unofficial' to say the least, given it's very bland in design nature. But I'll give it a chance. It's a bunch on unconnected data and speaking points. Maybe there's some connective narrative that was part of the presentation that wasn't put on the slide.
 
To be clear, that isn't a screenshot of the PowerPoint slide itself. It is just a verbatim reproduction.

Outlets kept publishing information from it, but I think the exact wording and formatting is really important context so I quickly whipped up what I posted above.
 
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Okay, so could someone please make clear what is going on now?
I have a hard time to follow these leaks and rumors, maybe because of the language barrier (I am from Germany).
What are the current and most likely rumors?
A 300 feet multi launch shuttle like Wicked Twister (Cedar Point) for example or
a coaster with a full circuit AND a multi launch like Soaring with Dragon?
How do 76mph and 300 feet match?
Is a traditional Giga out of question?
Would be nice if someone could clear things up.
Thank you.
 
"Family". "54" minimum height". By that definition, GateKeeper is one of Cedar Point's family coasters.

"76MPH" has nothing after it. I'm hoping it means the speed of an airtime hill or an inversion.
 
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Ok, here's my questions-
1. "doesn't seem to match up very well with what BGWFans had been publishing about the project." I'm assuming you mean on the project page blog and not forum speculation? If so, does this rule out a giga?

2. Based on the specs (especially height requirement) does the word "family" not really apply?

3. Does the slide/concept art show the approximate locations of the spire and final drop? If so, do they match up with the footer locations shown on the one plan approval?

4. Are "final drop" and "max speed" visibility the same location on the track? Or, could the max speed be in one place (the spire, as example) and the drop being the river? Technically both would be visible from the bridge.

I'm sure I'll have more.
 
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Okay, so could someone please make clear what is going on now?
I have a hard time to follow these leaks and rumors, maybe because of the language barrier (I am from Germany).
What are the current and most likely rumors?
A 300 feet multi launch shuttle like Wicked Twister (Cedar Point) for example or
a coaster with a full circuit AND a multi launch like Soaring with Dragon?
How do 76mph and 300 feet match?
Is a traditional Giga out of question?
Would be nice if someone could clear things up.
Thank you.

This looks almost certainly like a Soarin With Dragon type coaster if this is true.

That being said 76 doesn’t sound like the max speed but the first launch.
 
Ok, here's my questions-
1. "doesn't seem to match up very well with what BGWFans had been publishing about the project." I'm assuming you mean on the project page blog and not forum speculation? If so, does this rule out a giga?

2. Based on the specs (especially height requirement) does the word "family" not really apply?

3. Does the slide/concept art show the approximate locations of the spire and final drop? If so, do they match up with the footer locations shown on the one plan approval?

4. Are "final drop" and "max speed" visibility the same location on the track? Or, could the max speed be in one place (the spire, as example) and the drop being the river? Technically both would be visible from the bridge.

I'm sure I'll have more.

So this is where my question comes in. @Zachary is VERY reliable with his reporting, so the fact that people are claiming things don't match is very....odd to me. I'm more apt to take @Zachary 's word for whats going on because he hasn't really lead us wrong; and I've been hit by misinformation on other projects before.
 
My questions are directed to @Zachary as I feel there might be more info (and I was trying to "start asking the right questions"). That was his quote in my first question asking which info didn't match up.
 
What are the current and most likely rumors?

I've heard rumors claiming it's everything from a B&M giga to a FunTime StarFlyer. Frankly, I wouldn't bet on any of those being true at this point. I know it's not as flashy and interesting as what other sites are publishing right now, but I still believe BGWFans' dedicated Project Madrid page is the best source as for what is "most likely."

A 300 feet multi launch shuttle like Wicked Twister (Cedar Point) for example or
a coaster with a full circuit AND a multi launch like Soaring with Dragon?

The "leaked" sides that have been circulated to seemingly every enthusiast site on the planet appear to depict an attraction that is very similar to Soaring with Dragon at Hefei Wanda Theme Park. I can make out a very tall spire and a handful of other large elements (namely what look to be overbanked turns and maybe one of those wacky-looking top hats as is featured on Soaring with Dragon).

It is very important to note that there is likely a good reason none of the other sites have put out photos of these slides yet. From what I can gather, everyone has the same images I've seen and they are not high-quality. In fact, the way in which these photos were taken almost directly suggests that the "leaker" is attempting to obfuscate details in the slides. This is a huge red flag to me.

In this same vein, despite seeming to want to obfuscate the content they are supposedly "leaking," the "leaker" has done nothing to hide their own identity. That's a second huge red flag in my mind.

How do 76mph and 300 feet match?

I don't think it does, but someone with more engineering experience than I should do a deeper dive into that topic.

The PowerPoint slide simply lists 76MPH as a bullet point. There is nothing to suggest what that speed is actually referring to (which is incredibly odd in and of itself).

Is a traditional Giga out of question?

Most certainly not. Rumors that I've heard (and never previously reported on) inside the park have actually been swinging more and more towards the direction of a traditional giga coaster. That said, these are rumors. Nothing more. The content listed here is by far the best guide.

"doesn't seem to match up very well with what BGWFans had been publishing about the project." I'm assuming you mean on the project page blog and not forum speculation? If so, does this rule out a giga?

Like I said before, the quality of these images is trash. Because of that, it's really hard to make out details in the concept images. If I squint really, really hard I may be able to see the Rhine River turn suggested by the RPA impacts map, here, but I'm far from certain. Plus, the spire (by far the highest point of the ride judging by the concept images) is on the opposite corner of the site as what I (and I think many others?) was expecting (I would estimate that this concept art would put the spire really close to Festa Station, but it is very hard to tell).

Based on the specs (especially height requirement) does the word "family" not really apply?

Does the slide/concept art show the approximate locations of the spire and final drop? If so, do they match up with the footer locations shown on the one plan approval?

I have no idea how a 300+ -ish foot tall multi-launch shuttle coaster with a top speed of 76 MPH and a height requirement of 54 inches could possibly, in any world, be a "Family Coaster" but, truthfully, stupidity and ineptitude seem to be a plague upon the amusement industry at times. I wouldn't put it past SEAS to market a huge thrill ride that way. It's a deeply bizarre claim for sure, but honestly, there's a world in which this is one of the better arguments to say that the presentation is real. If some teenage enthusiast was creating this presentation to troll enthusiast sites, I can't imagine them calling this ride a "Family Thrill Coaster."

You can see why dealing with this content has been so hard (and you all only know the tip of the iceberg to be honest). There are parts of it that I haven't talked about yet that make the slide deck seem frighteningly real. There are other parts (presentation of the content, method of distribution, sloppy wording, etc) that make it much harder to believe. It's a deeply frustrating piece of content.

Are "final drop" and "max speed" visibility the same location on the track? Or, could the max speed be in one place (the spire, as example) and the drop being the river? Technically both would be visible from the bridge.

Correct. Both the spire and, if there is a final drop (again, maybe I can spot one if I squint), the final drop, would be visible from the San Marco/Oktoberfest bridge. There's nothing in the slides to say that the "max speed" and the "final drop" both have to be the same segment of track.
 
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So if I got it right, it seems that Zachary is leaning more towards the traditional Giga concept.
Appreciate his detailed post above.
 
It is very important to note that there is likely a good reason none of the other sites have put out photos of these slides yet. From what I can gather, everyone has the same images I've seen and they are not high-quality. In fact, the way in which these photos were taken almost directly suggests that the "leaker" is attempting to obfuscate details in the slides. This is a huge red flag to me.

In this same vein, despite seeming to want to obfuscate the content they are supposedly "leaking," the "leaker" has done nothing to hide their own identity. That's a second huge red flag in my mind.

So much YIKES in this.

Out of curiosity, how often does SEAS do internal power points like this with all the information on it?
 
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Thanks @Zachary for some great answers and expert analysis.

After thinking about what's been presented, I tend to still lean towards a "Soaring with Dragon-ish" product. That ride hits 77mph with a 195ft spire. It opened 2 years ago so it's conceivable Intamin have improved their LSM launchers. Further, even though the spire is 315ft, the launch won't be that high. I see Superman Escape has 415ft tower but the drop is listed at 329ft. So, with a tad more speed at launch(es), it could get up that spire maybe 230-240ft.

In a review of Soaring, the author mentioned the lack of a "rush" going thru the first non-inverting loop as it seemed to slow. Perhaps with a faster launch it could achieve a bigger loop with a little more speed.

Soaring's layout is 673ft x 705ft which would fit the Festa Field area. I think, from the Italy Bridge, you'd see the top speed going thru the large non-inverted loop and the "final drop" down to the river (albeit a slower 55mph average speed).
 
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