RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
How, pray tell do you propose they pay for this project?
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How, pray tell do you propose they pay for this project?
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Just as an update, there has been no visible work done. The same construction markers are there. There was no visible work on the DF station and Lumberhacked was still up.
Just as an update, there has been no visible work done. The same construction markers are there. There was no visible work on the DF station and Lumberhacked was still up.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Be that as it may, significant land clearing and demolition work had taken place for InvadR by Preview Day in March 2016. How is it that this presumably much larger project has absolutely no visible signs of progress anywhere?
Be that as it may, significant land clearing and demolition work had taken place for InvadR by Preview Day in March 2016. How is it that this presumably much larger project has absolutely no visible signs of progress anywhere?
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
This is true, however nothing explicitly states this project has to be ready for 2019. The park has ages to do anything, and this could be the beginning of a few years of work for more than one thing, though I'm sure we would love a single big-ticket thing in particular.
Joe said:
This is true, however nothing explicitly states this project has to be ready for 2019. The park has ages to do anything, and this could be the beginning of a few years of work for more than one thing, though I'm sure we would love a single big-ticket thing in particular.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Yup. IIRC the height waiver gave them 24 months before groundbreaking had to occur. That’s plenty of time for them to change their mind, secure financing (Zimmy’s worry), or anything else. Just because nothing is happening at this moment doesn’t mean it’s DOA. Could just mean that there was always an intent.
If this was for 2019 it would only be 2 calendar years after InvadR. Most parks wait 3-4. I’m not sure why so many wanted it so fast. I’m hoping it’s not shelved, but this was always the intent, and it doesn’t come til 2020-21. They got some time then to make other small improvements, let BfE and InvadR take hold. I felt it was a little unrealistic for a 2 year turnaround for a new coaster.
Bring Back Questor 87 said:
Yup. IIRC the height waiver gave them 24 months before groundbreaking had to occur. That’s plenty of time for them to change their mind, secure financing (Zimmy’s worry), or anything else. Just because nothing is happening at this moment doesn’t mean it’s DOA. Could just mean that there was always an intent.
If this was for 2019 it would only be 2 calendar years after InvadR. Most parks wait 3-4. I’m not sure why so many wanted it so fast. I’m hoping it’s not shelved, but this was always the intent, and it doesn’t come til 2020-21. They got some time then to make other small improvements, let BfE and InvadR take hold. I felt it was a little unrealistic for a 2 year turnaround for a new coaster.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
If this is indeed a hamlet and a coaster... I don't expect it to be opening anytime soon.
If this is indeed a hamlet and a coaster... I don't expect it to be opening anytime soon.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
But what about UNDER the Drachenfire station?
Pretzel Kaiser said:
But what about UNDER the Drachenfire station?
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
There's no proof that there isn't work done there.
There's no proof that there isn't work done there.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
BGW is playing 4D Hungry Hungry Hippo with us, and you sheep are just too blind to see it.
Well played, BGW, well played.
BGW is playing 4D Hungry Hungry Hippo with us, and you sheep are just too blind to see it.
Well played, BGW, well played.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
I feel now is a great time to mention that Le Mans raceway closed on July 5th 2006 with construction beginning the day after. Crews raced the clock by completely demolishing the attraction and clearing the land going as far as taking down sections of the sky ride. Griffon soft opened five days before the official opening on May 13th.
Although Project Madrid is rumored to be considerably larger I feel that this will still be a feasible task to have this attraction open in 2019. Bare in mind that this is only Preview day and there is still plenty of time for work to begin. While the scale and scope of the attraction is still unknown I think next year around this time an attraction will be preparing for open.
I feel now is a great time to mention that Le Mans raceway closed on July 5th 2006 with construction beginning the day after. Crews raced the clock by completely demolishing the attraction and clearing the land going as far as taking down sections of the sky ride. Griffon soft opened five days before the official opening on May 13th.
Although Project Madrid is rumored to be considerably larger I feel that this will still be a feasible task to have this attraction open in 2019. Bare in mind that this is only Preview day and there is still plenty of time for work to begin. While the scale and scope of the attraction is still unknown I think next year around this time an attraction will be preparing for open.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
There are two height waiver timelines, I believe:
James City County's height waiver approval:
And FAA's:
So JCC approved on August 8, 2017 and gave them 3 years, until August 8, 2020, to pull permits. FAA gave them roughly 1.5 years from September 18, 2017, or just about a year from now, to start construction (and does that include pulling permits, like JCC states, or actually breaking ground?). BUT, regardless, they can apply for an extension from FAA as late as 15 days before it expires on March 18, 2019, and looks like it will be approved if nothing material has changed.
Bottom-line, they have plenty of time to pull permits and get started relative to the waivers. It seems they can pretty much sit on their hands until this time next year if they want. Just a matter of what the attraction is, how long they need, and how that backs into a 2019 or 2020 schedule (or whenever, 2019 and 2020 are our notional dates, not BGW's).
FWIW, I haven't seen any relevant permits pulled yet at the county or state level.
warfelg said:
There are two height waiver timelines, I believe:
James City County's height waiver approval:
And FAA's:
So JCC approved on August 8, 2017 and gave them 3 years, until August 8, 2020, to pull permits. FAA gave them roughly 1.5 years from September 18, 2017, or just about a year from now, to start construction (and does that include pulling permits, like JCC states, or actually breaking ground?). BUT, regardless, they can apply for an extension from FAA as late as 15 days before it expires on March 18, 2019, and looks like it will be approved if nothing material has changed.
Bottom-line, they have plenty of time to pull permits and get started relative to the waivers. It seems they can pretty much sit on their hands until this time next year if they want. Just a matter of what the attraction is, how long they need, and how that backs into a 2019 or 2020 schedule (or whenever, 2019 and 2020 are our notional dates, not BGW's).
FWIW, I haven't seen any relevant permits pulled yet at the county or state level.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
I was being too lazy to look up exact timelines (the differ county to county). As far as I'm aware the FAA one is to start construction relevant to what they filed for.
And you're bottom line is what mine was. Nothing happening right now doesn't mean it's not happening. Just means it might not have been a 2019 attraction from the get go.
thopping said:
I was being too lazy to look up exact timelines (the differ county to county). As far as I'm aware the FAA one is to start construction relevant to what they filed for.
And you're bottom line is what mine was. Nothing happening right now doesn't mean it's not happening. Just means it might not have been a 2019 attraction from the get go.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Something worth noting as far as ground breaking goes, in the Commonwealth that term in litteral. All they have to do is pull a shovel full of dirt advancing the project to have broken ground. Back in college when we built our, then new theater Ohrstrom-Bryant Theatre had a big ground breaking at the beginning of the summer after my second year. This event also marked the start of 1996 Summer Stock, Shenandoah Summer Music Theater. (If you have an interest in theater I highly recommend you audition, it is an amazing experience) While this official ground breaking satisfied the city of Winchester and the Commonwealth of Virginia it did not actually mark the real beginning of construction. That did not happen for about another 6 to 8 months as funding was begged... er... secured from Alumni and other sponsors. It still took 3 years to complete so none of my classmates got to use the space.
thopping said:
Something worth noting as far as ground breaking goes, in the Commonwealth that term in litteral. All they have to do is pull a shovel full of dirt advancing the project to have broken ground. Back in college when we built our, then new theater Ohrstrom-Bryant Theatre had a big ground breaking at the beginning of the summer after my second year. This event also marked the start of 1996 Summer Stock, Shenandoah Summer Music Theater. (If you have an interest in theater I highly recommend you audition, it is an amazing experience) While this official ground breaking satisfied the city of Winchester and the Commonwealth of Virginia it did not actually mark the real beginning of construction. That did not happen for about another 6 to 8 months as funding was begged... er... secured from Alumni and other sponsors. It still took 3 years to complete so none of my classmates got to use the space.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Before going onto the bit about this ride, but before that I need to say this:
I think we're really blessed here in central VA. The last two years saw InvadR and Twisted Timbers installed in the area, and IMO are great examples of "bigger is not always better". Both pack quite the thrill without being big and bad. I would say for a 2 park lineup, I would almost dare any one to come up with a 2 park lineup that can beat the variety and everything it has.
So where I'll go with whatever this project is:
If this is indeed another coaster, it has a chance to make it unquestionable that KD and BGW is the best 2 park lineup across the country (for same region). It really depends IMO what this ends up being. If we end up with a B&M Giga (somehow) I think we really can just say you have nothing within a 1.5 hour drive of each other that matches the difference.
If we're getting something like a Mack or someone else (hoping no Intamin) we really are lucking out with how much greatness we got in the area.
Before going onto the bit about this ride, but before that I need to say this:
I think we're really blessed here in central VA. The last two years saw InvadR and Twisted Timbers installed in the area, and IMO are great examples of "bigger is not always better". Both pack quite the thrill without being big and bad. I would say for a 2 park lineup, I would almost dare any one to come up with a 2 park lineup that can beat the variety and everything it has.
So where I'll go with whatever this project is:
If this is indeed another coaster, it has a chance to make it unquestionable that KD and BGW is the best 2 park lineup across the country (for same region). It really depends IMO what this ends up being. If we end up with a B&M Giga (somehow) I think we really can just say you have nothing within a 1.5 hour drive of each other that matches the difference.
If we're getting something like a Mack or someone else (hoping no Intamin) we really are lucking out with how much greatness we got in the area.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
^Agree 100%! Meanwhile I'm over here planning to move to Houston in two years where I'll have SFFT, SFOT, and SeaWorld San Antonio each over 3 hours away and I would consider that a significant downgrade.
^Agree 100%! Meanwhile I'm over here planning to move to Houston in two years where I'll have SFFT, SFOT, and SeaWorld San Antonio each over 3 hours away and I would consider that a significant downgrade.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
It's too bad Six Flags can't do the same with SFA. Ain't like they don't have the space.
warfelg said:
It's too bad Six Flags can't do the same with SFA. Ain't like they don't have the space.
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