Project 2022: Pantheon
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Going off Zachary's post from last page or two:
Here's a circle projection of the distance from I-305's lift block (conveniently the station) and the top of the lift hill, a total distance of 299.5 feet.
This one doesn't reach the other side of the river, but can be contained to Fiesta Field.
Going off Zachary's post from last page or two:
Here's a circle projection of the distance from I-305's lift block (conveniently the station) and the top of the lift hill, a total distance of 299.5 feet.
This one doesn't reach the other side of the river, but can be contained to Fiesta Field.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Sounds like they built I-305's 45-degree lift hill pretty close to the plans.
Sounds like they built I-305's 45-degree lift hill pretty close to the plans.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
So it could work if it were an Intamin or if B&M altered their design (which they may or may not be willing to do). I suppose it could also work if B&M kept the pre-lift block section, although there'd have to be some weird layout choices made. I'm not convinced we're getting a coaster, but I am hopeful and it's fun to speculate.
So it could work if it were an Intamin or if B&M altered their design (which they may or may not be willing to do). I suppose it could also work if B&M kept the pre-lift block section, although there'd have to be some weird layout choices made. I'm not convinced we're getting a coaster, but I am hopeful and it's fun to speculate.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
That could give the context to do the math for an additional 10 feet in height what I would take to get the total length.
In fact working off a 45 degree angle doesn't make it too bad, but I don't think that's 100% on as if it was a perfect 45 degree angle the ground distance should theoretically match the vertical distance. Since it;s a little shorter we might be looking at about a 46 degree angle, but I digress.
Basically if you add another ~8' to that circle you end up right were we should be, which leaves plenty of space for a station if they go into the field a bit.
halfabee said:
That could give the context to do the math for an additional 10 feet in height what I would take to get the total length.
In fact working off a 45 degree angle doesn't make it too bad, but I don't think that's 100% on as if it was a perfect 45 degree angle the ground distance should theoretically match the vertical distance. Since it;s a little shorter we might be looking at about a 46 degree angle, but I digress.
Basically if you add another ~8' to that circle you end up right were we should be, which leaves plenty of space for a station if they go into the field a bit.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Still a flat.
Still a flat.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
As a pancake.
As a pancake.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
I just realized how Tempesto is flat - just view it from the side.
I just realized how Tempesto is flat - just view it from the side.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Tempesto is a roller coaster. It has three launches, an inversion and a non-inverting loop.
Tempesto is a roller coaster. It has three launches, an inversion and a non-inverting loop.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
I wonder if the service road that leads to the horse pen area will be repurposed as paths for the new country.
As it currently is:
As I envision it:
The black represents the part of the road that remains a service road. The light brown represents the parts of the service road that are now accessible to guests as a path.
I suppose if they felt it was worth it, they could remove that bridge bridge connecting the two Italy sections, as the service road would no longer exist there. A path would still be there, it would just be at a lower elevation (necessitating a new railroad crossing). I just think that would be too expensive of a project. Leaving the little bit of service road, like I did in that second image, would allow the bridge to still be needed.
I wonder if the service road that leads to the horse pen area will be repurposed as paths for the new country.
As it currently is:
As I envision it:
The black represents the part of the road that remains a service road. The light brown represents the parts of the service road that are now accessible to guests as a path.
I suppose if they felt it was worth it, they could remove that bridge bridge connecting the two Italy sections, as the service road would no longer exist there. A path would still be there, it would just be at a lower elevation (necessitating a new railroad crossing). I just think that would be too expensive of a project. Leaving the little bit of service road, like I did in that second image, would allow the bridge to still be needed.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Assuming a new hamlet and not just an attraction, and that said hamlet is in Festa Field, then yes, I think that makes sense and that's probably one of the most plausible ways to get there. (At least the San Marco/Garden of Invention and Festa/Rapids entrances--not sure they'd add the third one in the middle nor remove the existing Festa Bridge). Festa's a dead-end of sorts; they'd be crazy not to connect it to the hamlet if there is one in that location. It would also make the Festa train station one of the most useful in the park, from a transportation perspective.
Assuming a new hamlet and not just an attraction, and that said hamlet is in Festa Field, then yes, I think that makes sense and that's probably one of the most plausible ways to get there. (At least the San Marco/Garden of Invention and Festa/Rapids entrances--not sure they'd add the third one in the middle nor remove the existing Festa Bridge). Festa's a dead-end of sorts; they'd be crazy not to connect it to the hamlet if there is one in that location. It would also make the Festa train station one of the most useful in the park, from a transportation perspective.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Removing the service road below its at-grade railroad crossing would cut off the Marco Polo Marketplace and backstage area from vehicle access. This would impact backstage access to the San Marco theater too, presumably. I don't imagine either would be a good thing.
Seems to me they'd keep the Festa bridge, keep the service road from there all the way to the Marketplace, and let that service road also serve as backstage access to another shop/food service building or two facing toward the new hamlet area (currently pasture).
Then the options to connect back to Italy are:
Edit to add: slick graphic to really sell the concept.
I'd actually like to see more pathway than this through the heart of a new hamlet, but whatevs.
Removing the service road below its at-grade railroad crossing would cut off the Marco Polo Marketplace and backstage area from vehicle access. This would impact backstage access to the San Marco theater too, presumably. I don't imagine either would be a good thing.
Seems to me they'd keep the Festa bridge, keep the service road from there all the way to the Marketplace, and let that service road also serve as backstage access to another shop/food service building or two facing toward the new hamlet area (currently pasture).
Then the options to connect back to Italy are:
- Crossing over the service road as in the diagram above, either via a new bridge or just a simple at-grade crossing (boo)
- NOT crossing that service road again at all, instead connecting to the near end of the Oktoberfest bridge. Build a pedestrian bridge over the gully down there, and provide a new vector out of that weird San Marco corner in the bargain. This also provides greater customer-facing frontage in "Madrid" served from behind by the retained access road, since you don't have to carve a wide walking path between the Marketplace and the Garden of Invention.
Edit to add: slick graphic to really sell the concept.
I'd actually like to see more pathway than this through the heart of a new hamlet, but whatevs.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
I made a thing...
Official BGWFans.com Hub for Project Madrid Information
If anything is missing, let us know.
I made a thing...
Official BGWFans.com Hub for Project Madrid Information
If anything is missing, let us know.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Perhaps its me being recently swamped with strict guidelines regarding my research papers in college, looking for credibility, or scholarly articles and such making me hate rumors and "fake news" so much lately.
But, that's the shit I'm talking about and looking for right there Zach.
Thank you, and well done as usual.
Perhaps its me being recently swamped with strict guidelines regarding my research papers in college, looking for credibility, or scholarly articles and such making me hate rumors and "fake news" so much lately.
But, that's the shit I'm talking about and looking for right there Zach.
Thank you, and well done as usual.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
May have missed it, but did you include the height waiver staff report?
https://jamescity.novusagenda.com/AgendaPublic/CoverSheet.aspx?ItemID=2773&MeetingID=438
Perhaps the most notable item from the staff report, other than the approval recommendation itself, is the "open, lattice-type structure" description (language that we've seen before) that addresses ordinance requirements to not obstruct light from adjacent properties.
The public hearing summarized the staff report and didn't add that much as I recall, though there was some speculation as to what type of attraction would be subjectively called "thrilling" by the board.
Great summary though, thanks.
Zachary said:
May have missed it, but did you include the height waiver staff report?
https://jamescity.novusagenda.com/AgendaPublic/CoverSheet.aspx?ItemID=2773&MeetingID=438
Perhaps the most notable item from the staff report, other than the approval recommendation itself, is the "open, lattice-type structure" description (language that we've seen before) that addresses ordinance requirements to not obstruct light from adjacent properties.
The public hearing summarized the staff report and didn't add that much as I recall, though there was some speculation as to what type of attraction would be subjectively called "thrilling" by the board.
Great summary though, thanks.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Awesome work Zachary.
Something hit me while looking at all of that: The whole area effected is just....HUGE!! Even just the land mass is much bigger than most Giga's and bigger than most the Hamlets already in the park.
To give a scope:
You could fit Ireland and Germany Parking Lots.
You could fit the landmass of Cheetah Hunt 2.5 times over.
You could fit the landmass of Fury, with room to spare for Apollo.
You could fit the landmass of Cheetah Hunt plus I305 with it's entry plaza.
You could fit IoA's Hogsmeade in with room to spare.
You could fit Cheetah Hunt PLUS the Toy Story Section of Hollywood Studios in there.
You could fit 2/3 of my original home park: Lake Compounce.
It never dawned on me just really how big that area is.
I'm building a theory that they are doing the ground work for something right now that is more long term. This is more than just whatever the 315 foot attraction is. Doing all this work as they put in the coaster would give them a great idea of how to layout the remainder of the of the hamlet and expand as they need to.
Awesome work Zachary.
Something hit me while looking at all of that: The whole area effected is just....HUGE!! Even just the land mass is much bigger than most Giga's and bigger than most the Hamlets already in the park.
To give a scope:
You could fit Ireland and Germany Parking Lots.
You could fit the landmass of Cheetah Hunt 2.5 times over.
You could fit the landmass of Fury, with room to spare for Apollo.
You could fit the landmass of Cheetah Hunt plus I305 with it's entry plaza.
You could fit IoA's Hogsmeade in with room to spare.
You could fit Cheetah Hunt PLUS the Toy Story Section of Hollywood Studios in there.
You could fit 2/3 of my original home park: Lake Compounce.
It never dawned on me just really how big that area is.
I'm building a theory that they are doing the ground work for something right now that is more long term. This is more than just whatever the 315 foot attraction is. Doing all this work as they put in the coaster would give them a great idea of how to layout the remainder of the of the hamlet and expand as they need to.
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