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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

madmax said:
Verbolten feels exactly like new Intamin. It's a very intense ride.

I'm not sure what "new Intamin" has to do with Zachary's statement about "older Intamin." Additionally, my understanding is that new Intamin track is not very similar to Bolt's track.

Regardless, in my opinion Bolt doesn't feel like either. It does remind me of Backlot Stunt Coaster, however.
 
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

Zachary said:
Lets try to work backwards from the highest point of the ride for a moment...

Both B&M gigas have thus far have included a long block section before their lifts. We'll assume for now that, if we are considering the feasibility of a B&M giga for BGW, that giga would also include this seemingly standard pre-lift block.

Blah Blah Blah...

What if the layout is more like a standard B&M hyper and doesn't have a pre-lift block, you ask? Can we start the lift itself on the Festa side with the new, shorter lift area?

Fury's lift (minus the pre-lift) is roughly 420 feet long. Here is 420 feet from the highest point of Project Madrid.

Doesn't really look any more viable to me.

I could possibly see this working if the station was parallel to the lift. You could then have your pre-lift block right out of the station, a U-turn, then the lift to the highest point, drop into the Rhine. It would be the best way to make this concept work if you absolutely had to make this work.
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

Shane said:
I could possibly see this working if the station was parallel to the lift. You could then have your pre-lift block right out of the station, a U-turn, then the lift to the highest point, drop into the Rhine. It would be the best way to make this concept work if you absolutely had to make this work.

I've kinda pictured that or a drop that twists.
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

warfelg said:
madmax said:
How will a new 300 ft coaster at BGW affect Kings Dominion?

This is a good regional question, because at first I was like: "Oh that's easy, it's likely to have no effect."

But then I thought about it.

KD is still an amusement park aimed at thrills.  BGW is still a theme park aimed at immersion and experience.

[...]
Apollo v Dominator:
I pitted this one because of the fact they are both sit down B&M's, but it's not really a fair fight.  Neither park has something that can compete against the other, and so they get pitted.  I take Apollo.  Dominator has a strange rattle to me and it's ride is more forceful than Apollo who just.....glides.
[...]

Tempesto v Flight of Fear
I lean FOF here.  A bigger rattle, but it feels like a real coaster.  Tempesto is just.....blah.  
[...]

I'd say BGW is the primary reason I305 was built, KD has to compete on coasters. For me, KD was a better coaster park at the time because I could ride one subset of coasters one visit and another subset next time, while at BGW I usually rode them all every time, but comparison was and still is complicated. In fact I'd say the parks try to avoid anything that makes for a clear comparison. If it wasn't for Twisted Timbers I think the possibility of a BGW giga would have KD really scared.

As to your comparisons, I think Alpengiest vs. Dominator is the better comparison. Dominator wins due to great pacing with that final forceful turn, but of course all rides have their own things. I think floorless is actually better than inverted due to view, but at least the ground looks a lot better under Alps!

Alps vs. Volcano would not be inverts competing against each other as much as the closest thing KD has to a terrain coaster, and would lose at that.

I put Tempesto in a category more like riding a coaster hanging by your ankles, e.g. Batwing or Joker 4D, KD doesn't have one.

BGW doesn't have any coasters with a real launch, where the launch is a big thrill in itself, although FoF and Volcano aren't top level in that category either. This is one area BG could really score. BTW, Intamin is moving away from hydraulic launches, but are still the top company for giant launched coasters.

General speculation: the 315' could be not a coaster, but with a new hamlet and tall flat I would still expect a coaster in the plans. I find Rhine crossings a bit hard to believe. Fabio wouldn't ride that for sure!
 
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

Celticdog said:
How about a tower coaster similar to the Stratosphere in Las Vegas?

I think it would be unnecessarily expensive and not really a draw to make it worth the money. Same for the Polar Coaster concept too.
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

How crazy, if this turns out to be a coaster, would it be for it to top out at 315 and drop 330 into the ravine above the water of the Rhine? 330 dropping is 30 feet higher than Millennium, 30 over i305,10 more than Fury and a hairsplitting 2 feet over Superman. It would be a drop record for everything up to Top Thrill and Kingda Ka in the US, correct? And if not a launched coaster, then it would be the highest-dropping Giga, pretty much anywhere, right?

I only say all this in the scope of what would be needed to hold records compared to the other major coasters out there.

Star Flyers be damned!
 
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I think this will be the largest attraction in their history.
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

Ahh just imagine the headline “Busch Gardens announces ‘Eureka!” the tallest, fastest _________ coaster in the country.”

Someone in their marketing department has to have thought of that as a name consideration...certainly would be unique .
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

Zachary said:
So, with the baseless claims hopefully behind us, lets analyze a popular theory with the data we do have proof of (highest point and project area).

madmax said:
Let's be real: if it's a giga it will be B&M.

Lets try to work backwards from the highest point of the ride for a moment...

Both B&M gigas have thus far have included a long block section before their lifts. We'll assume for now that, if we are considering the feasibility of a B&M giga for BGW, that giga would also include this seemingly standard pre-lift block.

So, looking at Fury, it has a length from the start of its pre-lift block to the end of its lift (read: its highest point) of roughly 515 feet. Its sister, Leviathan, has a pre-lift through lift measurement of roughly 500 feet. Lets be generous and give our estimate a little buffer and call it 525 feet.

So, what does 525 feet from the highest point of Project Madrid look like?



Given the project area we know, the only viable place for a B&M giga pre-lift to start would be right on the bank of the Rhine River on the Festhaus Park side. Because guests have to walk around Verbolten, that would be a quarter mile walk from Das Festhaus. Riding this theoretical B&M giga would require a half mile round-trip outside of the current area of the park.

Drachen Fire was already considered way too far a walk from the park's main loop and the distance to Drachen Fire's station was less than half the distance we're talking about here.

What if the layout is more like a standard B&M hyper and doesn't have a pre-lift block, you ask? Can we start the lift itself on the Festa side with the new, shorter lift area?

Fury's lift (minus the pre-lift) is roughly 420 feet long. Here is 420 feet from the highest point of Project Madrid.



Doesn't really look any more viable to me.

They could have a multi launch coaster. 2nd launch is where you have it, first launch near the station which is easily accessible from the main path.
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

Eureka!: The tallest, fastest, _________ coaster in the world!(sponsored by Eureka tents and vacuums)all trademarks reserved.

Can't even imagine what kind of stuff they could do with that queue. Stacked walls of antique vacuums and tents out the wazoo!
 
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