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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

I've known people to come down and spend 3-4 days just doing Historic Area activities. They make a Flex Ticket that gets you into the Triangle and BGW/WCUSA. People who get that normally end up staying 3+ days. No, Williamsburg isn't as big of a draw as Orlando but it still brings a fair amount of people in.

In fact... some people come and stay for a week and never even leave the Hotel.
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

I did that in Dubai... But that was for job related reasons. Also... after your 100th or so trip to Dubai, it really gets redundant...
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

Thomas said:
I've known people to come down and spend 3-4 days just doing Historic Area activities. They make a Flex Ticket that gets you into the Triangle and BGW/WCUSA. People who get that normally end up staying 3+ days. No, Williamsburg isn't as big of a draw as Orlando but it still brings a fair amount of people in.

In fact... some people come and stay for a week and never even leave the Hotel.
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I'll be honest I never really knew the entire area was that much of a draw. Or that you could spend that much time doing everything.
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

So apparently people who work at Busch gardens are all saying giga. I know most of these people can't be trusted because the park is keeping this project tight lipped. But I'm starting to believe that we will be getting a giga coaster. It doesn't make sense for them to just put in a generic boring starflyer ride. Just speculations I believe they've been planning this ride even before invadr was built. That gives 3 years of planning and why would they apply this early in advance if they're just building one tower. The key here is lattice type construction which alludes to roller coaster type construction. And why would the tallest point of the ride be near the river. This ride I believe is going to hop the Rhine river to the other side by festhaus park, that explains the soil testing. Soil testing is being done by the same company that did invadr soil tests. If they put in a starflyer it won't draw as much attention versus a 315 giga coaster would. And sea world parks have said they are investing atleast 100 million into their parks in the next couple of years.
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

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I have a feeling the giga (if it is one) won't be B&M, but Mack.
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I wouldn't be so sure.
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A Mack would fit the space they are working with, plus it's a relevant company in the US.
 
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Keep in mind that the staff at BGW was also saying all kinds of things about Tempsto that were just not true. They say what they are told to say. Much like Jon Snow, they know nothing. (in general)
 
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Thomas said:
madmax said:
I have a feeling the giga (if it is one) won't be B&M, but Mack.
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I wouldn't be so sure.
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Haven't they only built one hyper so far that barely reached 200 feet? I dunno if they are ready to jump into the giga realm already. IIRC B&M and Intamin both had to develop some beefier tracks to handle the forces of a giga.
 
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I don't think MACK is incapable, I believe they totally would build a Giga Coaster if asked to, but I don't think that they are the manufacturer behind this project.
 
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I don't think their incapable, just rather I think it's quite the jump to go from just building their first (and so far only) hyper into the giga territory. It's a big jump to make if you ask me. I think that if I were BGW I would rather go with a manufacturer that has had a past and building quality giga's. Especially if you're a chain that financially is struggling and are trying to make investments and trying to turn it around.
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

Here's how this process is currently playing-out in my mind:

If you're Busch and you want a giga, you go with B&M.
If you're Busch and your design team has clearly seen the immense success of Fury 325 and its award-winning layout and adaptability to the terrain in Williamsburg, you start planning now.
If you're Busch and you know that the last 2 installments have been pretty good, and now you need a "Wow," you add a B&M Giga that puts KD to shame.
If you're Busch and you know you're going to add a V/R ride as a filler for 2018 to keep stirring the image being a progressive theme park having added "something" each year since 2014, you do exactly what is happening now and get those waivers approved.
If you're Busch and you know Windseeker exists, and you already have Mach Tower, then you don't place a Star Flyer in a place that needs long paths and extra construction to meet it ("that's all?")
If you're Busch and need a record breaker opening 20 years after Apollo's Chariot became the longest coaster with the tallest drop in VA until I305 came along, you know B&M can deliver.

Finally, if you're Busch and you know how much the world loves Apollo, but understands that 210 feet is great, but no longer breathtaking, and that a reliable, crowd-pleasing B&M counterpart on a much more intense scale is 1.) Highly Marketable 2.) Potentially Profitable 3.) The Missing Intensity Component out of your coaster collection...

...contact B&M, right away...and get designing.  

If you're a cherished BGWfans forum member, and you mention Tempesto as an aforementioned "If You're Busch" statement so I can eat my words on how they are sometimes unconventional, I've already heard that one before :)
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

Seems hypocritical to say that a starflyer type ride isn't necessary because we have Mach Tower and Windseeker but that a giga would be even though we have Apollo and Intimidator.

I think Busch is looking to build something different from all its nearby competitors.
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

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Seems hypocritical to say that a starflyer type ride isn't necessary because we have Mach Tower and Windseeker but that a giga would be even though we have Apollo and Intimidator.
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I only make this comparison as Windseeker exists and the fact that the proposed location of the ride is really not that far from MT in proximity. Additionally, I cannot stress enough the success Canada's Wonderland has enjoyed with Behemoth and Leviathan. Who wouldn't want that kind of success?
 
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

So much to digest in the last few pages. Great discussion, by the way. I don't feel like filling the page with quotes from 5-10 posters so I'm just going to lay my thoughts down here:

I don't consider BGW a destination park and I think those of us on the board who feel otherwise are showing a touch of regional bias. It's a great park - one of the best - but there are so many factors that play against it including (but not limited to) the following:

  • Lack of year-round operation
  • No resort or hotel attached
  • Lack of immersion (No Downtown Disney/Universal Walk)
  • Bad location (on a peninsula - slightly isolated)
  • Lack of public interest in the surrounding attractions/cities

I would wager that a park needs at least 3 of the things listed above in order to garner the kind of pedigree a destination park maintains. Sorry. In fact, I would say Hershey is closer to a destination park than BGW in those regards. But if someone thinks otherwise, that's OK too. It's not really a competition worth fighting over since BGW is mostly great no matter what you label it. I only would suggest some of the BG fanbase go look at other parks and attractions to get a better formulated opinion (and not just Disney or Orlando).

Back to the Starflyer of our dreams...

Ladies and Gentlefolk, I'm really not trying to get my hopes up but it would appear that BG is at least preparing to swing big on this one. I think the obvious choice for a builder is B&M but I'm personally hoping for something outside of the box in the form of a coaster from Mack or Premier. That being said, until it's official, it's not - so I suppose we're all free to speculate. Hopefully it's something that wins big for us, and for BGW. I think they could use some points up on the board.
 
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Is it bad that I would like to post a LOL meme right now...
 
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

If it is in fact an Intamin Accelerator, I will be completely disappointed in Busch Gardens decision.
 
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