RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Sigh...
My Mack dreams are smashed, once again.
Sigh...
My Mack dreams are smashed, once again.
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RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
While I will say those plans LOOK legit I will say I am still very skeptical of these claims as I would have guessed that this info would still not be in wide circulation and that a leak would be fairly tacible and likely to get someone in significant trouble.
While I will say those plans LOOK legit I will say I am still very skeptical of these claims as I would have guessed that this info would still not be in wide circulation and that a leak would be fairly tacible and likely to get someone in significant trouble.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
I shouldn't even be leaking these. I did this because I was getting upset that everyone is going to be dissapointed that it wasn't going to be a themed land. I purposely cropped out some stuff in order for someone to not get in trouble. Like I say again, it's okay not to believe me, but all of this is legit.
horsesboy said:
I shouldn't even be leaking these. I did this because I was getting upset that everyone is going to be dissapointed that it wasn't going to be a themed land. I purposely cropped out some stuff in order for someone to not get in trouble. Like I say again, it's okay not to believe me, but all of this is legit.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
A 300 foot one and done. I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, I'll keep hoping for something that would actually be worth waiting in line for.
A 300 foot one and done. I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, I'll keep hoping for something that would actually be worth waiting in line for.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Red and yellow are not muted colors.
Red and yellow are not muted colors.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Unlike many people this concept actually appeals to me, not the least because it is Intamin and that flies in the face of conventional wisdom. But that does beg the question...
How can we trust this?
1. These images look like screenshots of photos and frankly don't show very much.
2. The park historically does not use Intamin.
3. We don't know Madridbot, and have no reason to believe him out of trust.
4. Doesn't it seem odd that someone would be willing to put a source at risk like this? Really, if experience teaches us nothing it is that Zachary gets leaks first.
5. Can we get some kind of source validation?
Sorry, as much as I WANT this to be true I'm just not buying it right now. Frankly the OP knew this and said as much.
I hope I'm wrong, but until I see confirmation and or a proven source, I call shenanigans.
Unlike many people this concept actually appeals to me, not the least because it is Intamin and that flies in the face of conventional wisdom. But that does beg the question...
How can we trust this?
1. These images look like screenshots of photos and frankly don't show very much.
2. The park historically does not use Intamin.
3. We don't know Madridbot, and have no reason to believe him out of trust.
4. Doesn't it seem odd that someone would be willing to put a source at risk like this? Really, if experience teaches us nothing it is that Zachary gets leaks first.
5. Can we get some kind of source validation?
Sorry, as much as I WANT this to be true I'm just not buying it right now. Frankly the OP knew this and said as much.
I hope I'm wrong, but until I see confirmation and or a proven source, I call shenanigans.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Assuming these are not just fakes...
That is not a good excuse for doing something that could get someone fired or a company removed from a contract. The disappointment of some park enthusiasts simply does not justify the harm that could very easily result in this kind of recklessness.
We know that in the past these kinds of selfishly dangerous leaks on other sites (e.g., Verbolten) have gotten people fired.
MadridBot said:
Assuming these are not just fakes...
That is not a good excuse for doing something that could get someone fired or a company removed from a contract. The disappointment of some park enthusiasts simply does not justify the harm that could very easily result in this kind of recklessness.
We know that in the past these kinds of selfishly dangerous leaks on other sites (e.g., Verbolten) have gotten people fired.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
It's not hard to start a fake with a legit contur map... just saying...
kingadam said:
It's not hard to start a fake with a legit contur map... just saying...
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
I am not doing this for selfishness. The sender (Contractors Brother) has covered up the important stuff for a reason. Nothing on that paper that is revealed can cause any harm. If he were to pick up that splatoon case, major things would be revealed. I have only posted the things that are already out in the public. I have held back from anything to get someone fired. This is the reason why I remain anonymous. I posted these with permission from the 2 people who sent me these. A new wave a news will be dropping soon so stay tuned.
Nicole said:
I am not doing this for selfishness. The sender (Contractors Brother) has covered up the important stuff for a reason. Nothing on that paper that is revealed can cause any harm. If he were to pick up that splatoon case, major things would be revealed. I have only posted the things that are already out in the public. I have held back from anything to get someone fired. This is the reason why I remain anonymous. I posted these with permission from the 2 people who sent me these. A new wave a news will be dropping soon so stay tuned.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Posting 'anything' on the internet compromises anonymity.....just letting you know.
Posting 'anything' on the internet compromises anonymity.....just letting you know.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
It wouldn't be very difficult for Busch to narrow down the contractor who gave you these - there can't be that many different parties who have access to these plans, especially knowing Busch and their secrecy. There are most likely non-disclosure agreements that the contractor has with the park, preventing information such as this to be disclosed to the public without the park's permission. A good rule of thumb with this type of stuff is to go through one of the forum moderators/administrators first, like Zachary or Nicole.
MadridBot said:
It wouldn't be very difficult for Busch to narrow down the contractor who gave you these - there can't be that many different parties who have access to these plans, especially knowing Busch and their secrecy. There are most likely non-disclosure agreements that the contractor has with the park, preventing information such as this to be disclosed to the public without the park's permission. A good rule of thumb with this type of stuff is to go through one of the forum moderators/administrators first, like Zachary or Nicole.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
I wasn't going to say anything here for reasons I can't yet talk about, but it has gotten to a point where I must respond.
There are two possibilities here:
If it's the first option, whatever, well trolled, I honestly don't care. In case that these are real, this is a very serious issue which I must address.
You, objectively, are.
And, you have just expressly admitted your route to the sourcing of this information. Congrats, you've just made this so much easier for the park to trace.
As someone who has leaked Busch Gardens documents for years now, I can expressly tell you with 100% certainty that you are wrong about the source's safety. If I were employed at the park, this would be the easiest case to solve in history.
Once again, objectively, this is false. If your claims are true, you shared a ton of information that is not public and can be easily traced.
I've been in this position before. A source who has information with no idea of the risk associated with sharing it believes that they are safe. In the past, I've always done the right thing by analyzing the situation, concluding (correctly in this case) that they are not safe, and holding off until I know that they are.
Just because someone says that they are safe doesn't mean that they are. When they are fired or their company is removed from the contract entirely, that falls on your shoulders because you are the one who did this.
I wasn't going to say anything here for reasons I can't yet talk about, but it has gotten to a point where I must respond.
There are two possibilities here:
- These are fake (completely possible given what has been shown, the highly suspect sourcing, and the shockingly amateurish delivery).
- These are real.
If it's the first option, whatever, well trolled, I honestly don't care. In case that these are real, this is a very serious issue which I must address.
MadridBot said:
You, objectively, are.
MadridBot said:
And, you have just expressly admitted your route to the sourcing of this information. Congrats, you've just made this so much easier for the park to trace.
MadridBot said:
As someone who has leaked Busch Gardens documents for years now, I can expressly tell you with 100% certainty that you are wrong about the source's safety. If I were employed at the park, this would be the easiest case to solve in history.
MadridBot said:
Once again, objectively, this is false. If your claims are true, you shared a ton of information that is not public and can be easily traced.
MadridBot said:
I've been in this position before. A source who has information with no idea of the risk associated with sharing it believes that they are safe. In the past, I've always done the right thing by analyzing the situation, concluding (correctly in this case) that they are not safe, and holding off until I know that they are.
Just because someone says that they are safe doesn't mean that they are. When they are fired or their company is removed from the contract entirely, that falls on your shoulders because you are the one who did this.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
Assuming this is real (I'm not convinced) I think the safety of jobs is more important than appeasing internet nerds.
Assuming this is real (I'm not convinced) I think the safety of jobs is more important than appeasing internet nerds.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
The county's waiver actually requires them to use them an exception to that would require the country to wave that requirement and would likely require a new public hearing for approval. Or at least that was my understanding fron what was said durring the hearing for the height waver.
MadridBot said:
The county's waiver actually requires them to use them an exception to that would require the country to wave that requirement and would likely require a new public hearing for approval. Or at least that was my understanding fron what was said durring the hearing for the height waver.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
I am indeed sorry. My greed and frustration got to me. I have removed the files. I am new to being exposed to such sources. I know Zach already has such plans, and he is much more experienced then I. I will not be posting anything else on this forum from now on without direct authorization from the forum administrators.
I am indeed sorry. My greed and frustration got to me. I have removed the files. I am new to being exposed to such sources. I know Zach already has such plans, and he is much more experienced then I. I will not be posting anything else on this forum from now on without direct authorization from the forum administrators.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
To be clear, you are allowed to post anything you want on our Forum, as long as you don't break any of our rules. We are strong advocates of freedom of speech, and our goal is to encourage open discussion.
That said, Zachary and I are personally uncomfortable hosting any action that would harm a third party. So, please always feel free to reach out to us and discuss the best way to release sensitive documents. We understand that this is a complicated ethical minefield and most people don't have our background and experience.
To be clear, you are allowed to post anything you want on our Forum, as long as you don't break any of our rules. We are strong advocates of freedom of speech, and our goal is to encourage open discussion.
That said, Zachary and I are personally uncomfortable hosting any action that would harm a third party. So, please always feel free to reach out to us and discuss the best way to release sensitive documents. We understand that this is a complicated ethical minefield and most people don't have our background and experience.
RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?
People use your brain here:
Drachen's station faces a different direction. Yes this could mean that it turns coming out of the station but lets start there. Drachen's station would need to be given quite the overhaul for this to fit in there without Intamin really changing things with it's track and trains.
The high point location is 1100-1200 feet away from DF's station. For comparison Kingda Ka's launch portion is ~750 feet long to go to a peak 200' taller. Formula Rossa, the fastest coaster out there is only ~810 feet of accelerating track. So that's quite a bit to get out there.
A Ride of at least 1:00 means track length of at least 3500 feet at a max speed of nearly 80 MPH. A simple loop of that would go from the DF station across the river, to the train, and back (not counting for hills and elements) takes 2500 feet.
Lastly, I question the decision to use DF's station because of the use of the field for Holloween and now for the summertime fireworks. I think the idea of ever having a ride there again is out the window.
People use your brain here:
Drachen's station faces a different direction. Yes this could mean that it turns coming out of the station but lets start there. Drachen's station would need to be given quite the overhaul for this to fit in there without Intamin really changing things with it's track and trains.
The high point location is 1100-1200 feet away from DF's station. For comparison Kingda Ka's launch portion is ~750 feet long to go to a peak 200' taller. Formula Rossa, the fastest coaster out there is only ~810 feet of accelerating track. So that's quite a bit to get out there.
A Ride of at least 1:00 means track length of at least 3500 feet at a max speed of nearly 80 MPH. A simple loop of that would go from the DF station across the river, to the train, and back (not counting for hills and elements) takes 2500 feet.
Lastly, I question the decision to use DF's station because of the use of the field for Holloween and now for the summertime fireworks. I think the idea of ever having a ride there again is out the window.
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