Project 2022: Pantheon

[warfelg]

RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

Arrow once had some promotional material that made a big deal about the Loch Ness truss structure they engineered to cross the pipeline right of way.  Of course that all had to be designed by hand... no fancy computers in Arrow's offices back then.

I can think of a manufacturer who likes to build lifts with very few support points spaced very far apart, enabled by massive truss structures and double-spine track spans... but I don't think we are likely to see them installing a ride at BGW anytime soon.

So, with my experience as a township planner, and having to build some unique structures over areas where you can't put footers in a certain area.  Most times we're talking bridges, but hey, putting a roller coaster over something like this is like building a bridge right?

So without knowing the full forces, here's a quick rendering of what it could look like:
https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1MegJSbDJ65zJw4zybaixFHFNjQD1TOtMysPbx9Xz9lg/edit?usp=sharing

Red being the pipeline, blue the easement, black the track, bright blue being the supports.  Theoretically if they tie the supports on the two sides together, they could have those forces disbursed over a greater area, thus making it smoother and more stable.  Then in the middle, tying it to the track will dampen vibrations.

It is a shame they won't work with Intamin, because just seeing how they handled projects in Hersheypark and some of the support/environmental restrictions there, they could build a really awesome coaster for BGW in that area with minimal impact.  If you look at Skyrush, they have two 110+ foot spans with no supports because of the double backbone structure to the track.

Another thought, given Sea World's growing relationship with Mack Rides, and them having a hyper, and it sounding like they might use the dip to river level, Mack might be willing to take a shot because the lift hill doesn't have to hit 300 ft for a 300 ft drop.

 

[Jpineda96]

RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

If this is a giga coaster can you imagine what the skyline will look like. I hope this is a giga not a lame swing ride. If it were a giga I think it will cross the Rhine river to the uncharted land by apollos chariot turn around.

 

[tursiops]

RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

I have mentioned this before, but I'll say it again. I would love a hamlet that goes all the way to the river and is similar to the waterfront area at SWO. Spain has many incredible coastal cities, I think this could be great. Cafés and shops along the water. I know permits would be tough, but they could do it. This might also allow them to either use more space, or save some of the pastures.

 

[halfabee]

RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

I have mentioned this before, but I'll say it again. I would love a hamlet that goes all the way to the river and is similar to the waterfront area at SWO. Spain has many incredible coastal cities, I think this could be great. Cafés and shops along the water. I know permits would be tough, but they could do it. This might also allow them to either use more space, or save some of the pastures.

Love this.

I once thought it would be pretty great to have a Greece themed area there and step it down the hillside to the water with white buildings, a cafe, and some well themed rides. Place a few other attractions in there, install a nice walkway down by the water, and a place a floating bridge to link up with the existing Scotland-to-Germany bridge upstream of the Rhine River Cruise boats.

There were several problems with my idea, but did enjoy thinking about it...

 

[VonDerrick]

RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

If this is a giga coaster can you imagine what the skyline will look like. I hope this is a giga not a lame swing ride. If it were a giga I think it will cross the Rhine river to the uncharted land by apollos chariot turn around.

This will not happen. The Utility Markings are specifically for the Festhaus Park side of the Rhine (Not the Festhaus Park, but the actual slope/ravine and the entire Italy Pastures.

 

[warfelg]

RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

If this is a giga coaster can you imagine what the skyline will look like. I hope this is a giga not a lame swing ride. If it were a giga I think it will cross the Rhine river to the uncharted land by apollos chariot turn around.

This will not happen. The Utility Markings are specifically for the Festhaus Park side of the Rhine (Not the Festhaus Park, but the actual slope/ravine and the entire Italy Pastures.

Well to be fair to Jpineda....it's not like we're free to venture onto the land by where Apollo's turn around is and walk/look around for markings.

 

[Jpineda96]

RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

If this is a giga coaster can you imagine what the skyline will look like. I hope this is a giga not a lame swing ride. If it were a giga I think it will cross the Rhine river to the uncharted land by apollos chariot turn around.

This will not happen. The Utility Markings are specifically for the Festhaus Park side of the Rhine (Not the Festhaus Park, but the actual slope/ravine and the entire Italy Pastures.

Well to be fair to Jpineda....it's not like we're free to venture onto the land by where Apollo's turn around is and walk/look around for markings.

Well it was just speculation because I think in order for this to be a giga coaster it's gonna have to cross the river regardless. There's simply not enough room in the festa fields.

 

[thopping]

RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

The Utility Markings are specifically for the Festhaus Park side of the Rhine (Not the Festhaus Park, but the actual slope/ravine and the entire Italy Pastures.

Anyone have a map showing the location of the utility markings? Curious to see where/extent. Thx.

 

[Adam]

RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

According to the VA-811 ticket search, Busch Gardens requested utility markings in two areas on the 19th and 20th of this month - see attached two images for the tickets/location description.  As the tickets describe, utilities were marked in the pasture area in Festa (we already knew this) and in the proximity of the river, between Verbolten and 500ft towards the train bridge (roughly the entire area between Verbolten and the bridge).  I have attached a map showing the two areas that correspond to the rough descriptions in the tickets, note though that the blue area marked "Area 1" is only rough, and it may be over-estimating the area of the work.  

The type of work being performed that requires the markings is described as "soil boring and testing" - the geotechnical survey needed to classify ground stratigraphy (i.e. what layers of soils and rock exist below the surface).  This type of work is typically performed for foundations that will have large loads (i.e. large buildings, structures, and roller coasters).  Also, the company performing the soil borings is Fishburne Drilling Inc., which, through more digging (no pun intended ;-P) on the VA-811 website, performed soil borings in recent history for Tempesto and InvadR.

All of this evidence makes me believe that we are getting a new coaster contained in the Festa field and crossing the Rhine between the train bridge and Verbolten (but not extending to the Festhaus Park).  Although this information I have found is accurate, it still does not specify what the work being done is for, as Zachary has said before.  Technically another potential for this work could be two separate things - a tall flat ride in the pasture, and a new pedestrian bridge crossing the Rhine).

Edit: Also, if this is in fast a coaster, I believe that we are looking at an opening in 2019. The reason I say this is that InvadR's soil boring was performed sometime in January of 2016 (the utility marking ticket was dated 1/6/16), and it opened in April, 2017. If we are looking at a large-scale coaster (relating to the 300+ ft height waiver), the design time-frame is likely going to be much longer than it was for InvadR, especially considering the complicated permits needed for crossing the Rhine. Since the time between the borings and opening the ride for InvadR was about 15 months, we could assume maybe an extra 5 months for design, putting the ride opening at the beginning of the 2019 season.

Image credits: Google My Maps, VA 811

 

[warfelg]

RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

Edit: Also, if this is in fast a coaster, I believe that we are looking at an opening in 2019.  The reason I say this is that InvadR's soil boring was performed sometime in January of 2016 (the utility marking ticket was dated 1/6/16), and it opened in April, 2017.  If we are looking at a large-scale coaster (relating to the 300+ ft height waiver), the design time-frame is likely going to be much longer than it was for InvadR, especially considering the complicated permits needed for crossing the Rhine.  Since the time between the borings and opening the ride for InvadR was about 15 months, we could assume maybe an extra 5 months for design, putting the ride opening at the beginning of the 2019 season

Just as an aside....If they are applying for the waiver, and are doing the borings, the design, or atleast the concept, is likely already done.

As a former township employee that processed and approved all these types of things, you usually don't have someone bore and apply for the waiver unless you know what it's for and know where things are going. If they are boring it means they likely know where some "high stress" points in the construction will be or where footers will need to go and are looking at what it's going to take to solidly plant the footer.

 

[Merboy]

RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

 

[Jpineda96]

RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

Did we get any other info regarding this attraction? I'm waiting on the next Zachary update

 

[halfabee]

RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

Howzabout a strong, arch-supported pedestrian bridge span that doubles as the structural support for the big ol' Matador roller coaster's first-drop pullout.

Supports can very roughly resemble the keyhole-style towers of Alpengeist's lift, inverted and affixed beneath the bridge span.

Then both walkers and riders can cross the water without having to sink a single footer into the lake --err, "river."  A physical barrier prevents grown idiots and stupid kids alike from chucking pennies at riders.

Arch and ride supports are omitted from this highly technical diagram.

   
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If there's enough interest, I can add a stick figure saying "Wow!" while observing the new ride and bridge.  Kind of advanced, but I am confident in my abilities.

 

[Nicole]

RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

Oh, definitely add the stick figures!

 

[jornor]

RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

This is gonna be crazy

 

[halfabee]

RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

By popular demand.

   

'''0/ -- ¡Sì! I am ready to run with the bulls!
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[Zimmy]

RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

WOW! I am having flash backs to my old BBS circa 1992! That is some serious VT-100 graphics right there!!

 

[Merboy]

RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

Lol this is how all the new attractions should be planned out from now on.

 

[Bring Back Questor 87]

RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

My hope-filled prediction based what I have read thus far:

It would be terrific to see a Custom B&M Wing Coaster - this time, a real record breaker. 295 FT tall, drop _______? Depends on topography, water/ravine etc.

Theme plays on the Italian translation of a bullfighter - as this will be on the fringe of Festa Italia. The trains could easily have a bull/bullfighter design, as the center of the trains are always themed with Wing coasters.

Some possible naming referencing Italian translations I have researched could be "Torero" - meaning Bullfighter. "Toreador" - is another version of this translation, and "Roterò" being the anagram of Torero, another option if they choose to spin it around for the hell of it. These I admit are fairly close in sound to Tempesto, so some defining adjustments would be needed for differentiation.

Imagine this as a dark-red structure with plenty of inversions and over-the-river speed, and those heavy trains at that height would bring speeds exceeding 80MPH. High capacity, and with proper design, could boast many "firsts" that a fresh, (albeit completely possible) B&M Giga would miss.

Again, if the goal is to innovate and wow the crowds, then putting a Giga near hyper Apollo seems less-likely, and I know everyone will continue to reference Tempesto, but I think we are on different footing here for 2018/19. Wing Coasters have a visual appeal when they are operating that would be greatly visible, has the potential for plenty of customization, and could feature some excellent forces if paced correctly, something that B&M Wing coasters of the past have been mild on, generally speaking. I think B&M has waited to work with a park on a more intensely designed Wing coaster since GateKeeper, and could really push the envelope here.

I see this being a return to B&M after years of other parks having continued great successes with installations of late, and it makes great sense when looking at their coaster current portfolio and the nearest installation being Dollywood.

Take all of what I have mentioned before and apply to a B&M Flyer, and my mind blows even further.

If I'm wrong and this turns out to be a cloister of flat rides, bridge spans, and a tower swing, apologies in advance for wasting precious internet minutes.

 

[horsesboy]

RE: Project Madrid: New Hamlet? Giga Coaster? 315' Tower?

The idea of themeing it to a bull fight seems like a bad to me. Bull fights are a major target for animal righrs activists and given that the company is already a target for them appearing to endorse an activity that they have ussue with seems to be asking for more bad pr.