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RE: June 2017 Height Waiver: New Hamlet? Madrid?

kingadam said:
So basically the park wanted to be as vague as possible when filing?
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I imagine that is typical practice to be honest.

kingadam said:
Could they have filed for something much taller than what they actually need to throw us off?
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I theorize it is possible, but given the possibility of push-back from the community/JCC, I don't think they would at this extreme height.

kingadam said:
Also, guess JCC changed it from structure to attraction when they read into it more?
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Correct. I think it's a safe bet that it's a ride, but it is worth noting that the words we see in the height waiver description aren't the park's.
 
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warfelg said:
I mean....at a waiver height of 315 ft...is there much else it could be?
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Wild idea and probably totally wrong but it's late sooo...but maybe a mountain peak (with a red blinky light on it)? The Alps would fit as they're between Italy and Germany.
 
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mountaineers said:
How high does something need to be in James City County for a waver to be required?   I didn't see a specific height on anything so far.  If the requirements are say 75 feet then it could be a number of things, not just a coaster/swing.
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If BGW wants to build anything over 60-feet they must submit a height waiver to the JCC Planning Commission.
 
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RE: June 2017 Height Waiver: New Hamlet? Madrid?

Thanks.  In my earlier post I didn't see a specific height on the permit page and had missed the picture stating 315 feet that Zachary posted.  Now I am excited.

To me I see 2 most probable scanarios.

1.  Gigantic coaster with entrance in either feasta Italia or near the San Marco area putting the top of the lift hill in the middle of the field where the line of sight test was or,
2.  If it is a swing/tower ride, like someone else said its possibly part of a new hamlet due to the fact of its location away from other areas.
Either way it looks like a major investment by the park that has me very happy.
 
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Pretzel Kaiser said:
Wasn't there some topography maps for BGW posted here before?
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The one I used in my post was from James City County's Online GIS. The contours are a layer under the Environmental category in the "Map Layers" pane on the left side of the window. You can also turn on the Resource Protection Area layer in the same category to see where Busch can build without requiring exceptions to the Chesapeake Bay Preservation Ordinance.
 
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RE: 315' Height Waiver: Coaster? Tower? New Hamlet? Madrid?

Based upon what was done this year I think the company is looking for smaller types of investments. I feel if they were to build a giga they would have done it for Sea World Orlando. Based upon the company's status I think they will go for the more budget friendly attraction of a Star Flyer versus a giga coaster. Busch Gardens Williamsburg is not the park with the major problems within the company. I think they are going to use all their financial resources towards some of those struggling parks to help bring them back. That's my prediction. Going giga is more of a Cedar Fair thing not to say it wouldn't be done. It will be interesting to see what happens.
 
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The space they chose screams major coaster imo. If I was BGW and was thinking about the noise of a major coaster, where would i put it? Fiesta. That area of the park is the most isolated so it actually makes total sense noise-complaint wise to put in a major coaster there and not in the back (drachen) or in Ireland.

I also think while the parks have been doing smaller investments, Mako was a pretty big deal for Seaworld Orlando. So I really don't find it that hard to believe it to be a major coaster after a now 12 year dry-spell (2019). If BGW makes a new coaster thats thrill oriented it makes sense for it to be giga over a second hyper. The sheer concept of them pushing a new coaster thats in the same hypercoaster ballpark as Apollo is somewhat redundant.

Silly suggestion, but they could be super sassy towards KD and build the first RMC T-Rex just to out shadow Hurler. It would def put us on the map again.
 
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^I definitely agree with your points about location and the major coaster investment. The location is almost half of a mile from the closest homes in Kingsmill and about the same from Kingsmill's "Woods" golf course, so the only true argument they could have against the park would be the coaster being unsightly. This of course means we will probably have another blue coaster since it "blends in" with the sky...

Also, BG is definitely due for a large coaster. When I was at KD a couple months ago it made me realize that BG doesn't really have any truly intense roller coasters - something with high speed and quick turns, like I305 or Volcano. It's time for Busch to step up and make a coaster for enthusiasts, not just families. Its been way too long.
 
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New coaster will be themed with the new kiosk Minus 321˚. It will be a Coca-Cola themed coaster with a 321 foot drop ;)
 
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Matt S B said:
Based upon what was done this year I think the company is looking for smaller types of investments. I feel if they were to build a giga they would have done it for Sea World Orlando. Based upon the company's status I think they will go for the more budget friendly attraction of a Star Flyer versus a giga coaster. Busch Gardens Williamsburg is not the park with the major problems within the company. I think they are going to use all their financial resources towards some of those struggling parks to help bring them back. That's my prediction. Going giga is more of a Cedar Fair thing not to say it wouldn't be done. It will be interesting to see what happens.
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While I don't believe BGW is getting a gigacoaster, I'm not sure I think the comparison with SWO is valid.  The markets are completely different.  

SWO is competing with Disney and Universal, neither of which are coaster parks.  Mako is a giant, compared with the alternatives in Orlando.

BGW, on the other hand, is competing with KD and to some degree SFA, both of which do emphasize their large thrill rides.  Although BGW's collection is aging, I, personally, believe they still have the best coasters in the region.
 
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Nicole said:
Matt S B said:
Based upon what was done this year I think the company is looking for smaller types of investments. I feel if they were to build a giga they would have done it for Sea World Orlando. Based upon the company's status I think they will go for the more budget friendly attraction of a Star Flyer versus a giga coaster. Busch Gardens Williamsburg is not the park with the major problems within the company. I think they are going to use all their financial resources towards some of those struggling parks to help bring them back. That's my prediction. Going giga is more of a Cedar Fair thing not to say it wouldn't be done. It will be interesting to see what happens.
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While I don't believe BGW is getting a gigacoaster, I'm not sure I think the comparison with SWO is valid.  The markets are completely different.  

SWO is competing with Disney and Universal, neither of which are coaster parks.  Mako is a giant, compared with the alternatives in Orlando.

BGW, on the other hand, is competing with KD and to some degree SFA, both of which do emphasize their large thrill rides.  Although BGW's collection is aging, I, personally, believe they still have the best coasters in the region.
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I agree that they are different markets and the competition is very different. However, Fury 325 at Carowinds costed 30 million dollars. Given they had more room to play with I'm not sure if it would be as long so it wouldn't cost that much. A company that is very budget driven right now doesn't seem like they would invest in an attraction of this magnitude. If they continue the trend of the 2017 additions I think we can expect more cost savings attractions until they get back on their feet. I'm not thrilled about a Star Flyer given the market already has Windseeker at Kings Dominion and Wonder Woman: Lasso of Truth at Six Flags America. I can't see anyone being that excited if that's what they add but if they surround a new hamlet around it I think that would sweeten the addition.

I would love to see a great addition to Busch Gardens even if its just a new hamlet. If the giga happens I think it will definitely draw a large crowd and make the park an even bigger landmark. I can't wait to find out what's going on.
 
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What seems probable to me is BGW do something similar to what SEAS did at SeaWorld San Diego this past season (and into next season); the addition of a new themed land that included several flat rides with additional expansion planned for the following year. It doesn't seem all that unlikely considering it's happened at other parks so recently.

If this scenario does come true I hope that they are some more unique flat rides and that they are extensively themed to the new hamlet. I'm sure that the Star Flyer would be the centerpiece of the area upon opening, but there is no reason that the park wouldn't decide to add a coaster to the hamlet a few years down the road.
 
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RE: 315' Height Waiver: Coaster? Tower? New Hamlet? Madrid?

That's a good point Shane. Actually I would love to see something like that for the area.
 
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