From the appearance of the construction area highlighted in this particular permit, most of the new animals are featured on the side of the railway not being affected.
Project 2022: Pantheon
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Griffon's lift is at a 45-degree angle (1:1 slope), so technically all you would need to achieve 315' in height is 315' of horizontal space if they did a similar lift angle . It is certainly possible to fit. Not to mention that 315' is above grade at the highest point. If the lift starts at a higher existing grade than the existing grade under the highest point, the lift wouldn't need to be as long.
Yeah my only idea is a pretty steep lift that either turns and then drops or goes straight into a banked drop, since in any one direction both the lift and the drop will not fit, assuming the drop isn't vertical (which it most likely will not be). Intamin has worked a lot with cable lifts (welcome to downtime) and that can help with having a steep lift that is ascended quickly.
Just for perspective, Millennium Force from start of lift hill to bottom of first drop is ABOUT 600' (used google maps scaling tool, not the most accurate). That is a decent lift (45) and a pretty steep drop (80). That first drop, as it exists at Cedar Point, COULD fit in the space from edge to edge, requiring an immediate turn at the end of the first drop. Perhaps we could see this banked first turn on the Rhine River as it is marked, with a massive drop leading into it.
My main spacial concern is how tall they will really go, since this coaster will be all over in itself if they try to fit a giga in that space. It isn't super small, but it definitely isn't near as big as the plots of land most gigas take up.
Not that it can't be done, but I don't know how compact and intertwine-y they want this to be
That part really is only highlighting parts that are going to have an environmental impact. It's not a complete site plan yet.
I appreciate your confidence in me, but that was purely speculation based on experience rather than having any other info ?
Contrary to what @warfelg is saying though, I believe that the boundary is the limits of their survey, which would mean they most likely are sticking to that area. I don't see why they would survey more than once or omit survey in that specific boundary, while also including survey outside of the RPA impacts. No offense to you Warfelg!
And that's fair enough too. I don't feel like digging it all up again, but that area back there is a little bigger than most think it is. You measured out MF's lift and drop at about 600 feet....I305 is only 422 feet. So lets say whoever is making this goes with the same stats as I305 for lift, top height, and drop angle...and that easily fits.
No offense taken at all! It could be perfectly reasonable to expect it to stay within the area of that survey. I only say that just because the area is in the impact study doesn't mean it's the only area. Just a thought more than anything.
I have to wonder, judging by the size of the plat, if other aspects will also be included and not just a coaster. Restaurants, shops, rest rooms, etc.? I love to see some pedestrian/coaster interaction.
We can hope, just have no idea. Unless BGW was trolling with the whole "Madrid" part, I would hope there will be some area theming to go with this, so it isn't just a Spanish themed coaster in the middle of Italy
As inspired by Zachary with my conversation with him last night when he was working on the front page post, I superimposed (generally to the right scale) Skyrush over the Project Madrid site. Skyrush could pretty much fit inside the land they have, and the layout could even fit within the surveyed area if tweaked slightly. I definitely think if you moved the station building and to the right (creating a situation similar to LNM or Griffon where you rounded a curve and immediately went into the lift), you could fit a 300'+ lift hill and drop in that space.
Madrid is the project code name the final name and theming may or may not have anything to do with it. Sea World has been using city names as code names for projects internally for a while if I understand correctly.
I think Skyrush is a great "template" for Madrid (not saying I think it's Intamin). I think when you come back towards the station, when you turn left in the real SR (Right on the flip here) the track could continue straight and have some turns/helix elements coming back towards the station to lengthen the ride.
But that plot is more than enough space, and if it stays by the river a bit more, there's still space there for shops, food, and a flat or two.
Here is another comparison - Griffon on the same plot of land. Like I said earlier, 300'+ is most certainly achievable on this land. Didn't believe initially with the Height Waiver, but it makes sense now, given the new info. @warfelg I definitely agree with your concept. It would make a ton of sense for them to fit some shops, food, etc. in that area too since it will be pretty much empty otherwise. I would love to see that come true.
I don’t believe that is true.
Not saying you’re wrong, but I believe I saw the new horse on the side of the railway not included in the survey, can’t speak for the moo cow though. I should’ve worded my statement differently.
They were there when they first arrived as a routine quarantine to make sure they were not carrying anything that would effect the other animals they have since moved over with the other horses. The cows are there alot since that is the field with thed cow squeeze chutes that they can use to test them snd do exams.
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