Project 2022: Pantheon

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Yeah, I don't want to brag too much but, honestly, when @Nicole and I would get to those media events, we would ask some damn good questions.

Anecdotally though, these events really have been on the decline (informationally). We struggled to get straight answers out of anyone at the Pantheon announcement event and we truly knew way more about the coaster than anyone else present. Even just trying to get someone to tell us what the track and support colors were... It was a mind boggling experience. No one could name any of the elements on the attraction... They just kept pointing everyone to the obviously wrong signs... It was a clusterfuck.

It makes you wonder what these people get paid to do all day. Hire me BGW?
 
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I agree that the Marketing Department is severely lacking. @Zachary makes a point regarding their lack of (or wrong) information. Which is probably partially the reason only 1 TV station covered it. Obviously the reason for then "tour" it's to hype the new additional to sell tickets. Visuals sell.

If I were them, I'd have created drone footage with an accompanying fact sheet. TV stations, bloggers, etc. could then b-roll the video or capture stills for captioning.

Take a look at the Midway Mayhem video of the Ice Breaker hard hat tour. Obviously SWO was prepared.

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There was a point in the stream where one of the BGW folks said that they usually get a lot more questions. Now I wonder what was different this time...
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Based on who they retweeted, there weren't a lot of people that know about coasters to ask intelligent questions.
 
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Honestly is there anything at all about the ride hardware we dont know? I guess the one question I have is their quick queue plans.
 
Just to rub salt...but not continue to hijack the thread about media/marketing...a search of Twitter showed only TEN unique users tweeting or retweeting anything about Pantheon. For a multi-million dollar, "multi record setting" project this is horrible!

Ok, now back to the subject at hand - what kind of "surprises" do you think we'll see in this queue building?
 
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GrandpaD said:
Based on who they retweeted, there weren't a lot of people that know about coasters to ask intelligent questions.
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I can think of at least 2 people who weren't there to ask the good questions. I guess BGWFans is just on an entirely different PLANE of existence from those who were invited.

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Just so everyone realizes, and this is not an out for Busch, that when it comes to systems for the coaster and technical aspects they are severely limited by the ride manufacturer as to what they can and cannot say. Busch has signed NDA's with Intamin to keep ride systems info hush.

As for the top speed of 73mph, it is reached on the downhill of the tophat, as always any claim to speed records are solely based off of simulations and simulations are great but they don't necessarily take into affect every changing variable, such as temperature of the track, ambient temperature, loading of the train, etc. They will not know the true top speed until testing begins and they load the train with water dummies.
 
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sbroc012 said:
Just so everyone realizes, and this is not an out for Busch, that when it comes to systems for the coaster and technical aspects they are severely limited by the ride manufacturer as to what they can and cannot say. Busch has signed NDA's with Intamin to keep ride systems info hush.
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And they said that when they were asked about the switch track. Pretty sure its the same deal with Verbolten's drop track. That does not mean don't ask questions, but if you get too technical, they may turn you down. Almost no technical questions, and certainly no pointed technical questions, were asked yesterday.
 
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sbroc012 said:
They will not know the true top speed until testing begins and they load the train with water dummies.
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Correct. Which is why parading around about having beaten a world record by half a mile an hour is unbelievably scummy.
 
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You haven't beaten any record until you actually do it, not plan to do it.
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While true (and reckless to say the 0.5 MPH is there); if they can't figure out with modern computing systems a great enough estimation of what it's going to do, they need to stop posting anything of stats before it's finished.
 
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Correct. Which is why parading around about having beat a world record by half a mile an hour is unbelievably scummy.
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I would disagree, is it splitting hairs? Absolutely. Is it scummy? Not in the least, it's simply marketing 101. This was commonplace years ago when everyone was beating each other by a few feet and 1 mph to claim the tallest and fastest. Then TTD and Ka came around and put that to rest. Heck, look at the dive machines for awhile, Sheikra first, then Griffon came along, then Valrvn. Just wait a few years, someone else will "beat" their claim to fame and life will be no different. The ride will still be great and no one the wiser.
 
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sbroc012 said:
I would disagree, is it splitting hairs? Absolutely. Is it scummy? Not in the least, it's simply marketing 101.
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You could say that lying is Marketing 101. Doesn't make it not incredibly scummy.

Height, length, etc are all clear physical measurements that have to be 100% accurate prior to installation. Speed is entirely different. I don't think I've ever seen another park try to claim a record based on this small a speed delta before the ride has even completed a circuit.
 
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sbroc012 said:
I would disagree, is it splitting hairs? Absolutely. Is it scummy? Not in the least, it's simply marketing 101. This was commonplace years ago when everyone was beating each other by a few feet and 1 mph to claim the tallest and fastest. Then TTD and Ka came around and put that to rest. Heck, look at the dive machines for awhile, Sheikra first, then Griffon came along, then Valrvn. Just wait a few years, someone else will "beat" their claim to fame and life will be no different. The ride will still be great and no one the wiser.
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There's a difference between chain-lift gravity drop and launching though.
 
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Zachary said:
You could say that lying is Marketing 101. Doesn't make it not incredibly scummy.
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Not lying, just "stretching the truth" (I say that in jest). Seriously though, it is marketing, it's been done that way for years. If they had said 73mph from the very beginning, no one would be wiser. To me, it's all semantics and a way to get the GP interested, you and I and others alike are already interested.
 
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