Project 2022: Pantheon
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I'm going to be honest (sorry I'm in a ranting mood today):
People asking for daily updates is getting old already to me. Yes BGW is moving amazingly fast, but starting to pour footers (if that's what they are doing) is going to be slow going, and we're better off with a 7-10 day wait between updates on the constriction site. Honestly. Only so many times I can look at a video of the field from the train with so few changes before I start dreaming.
Ok, small rant but it's over.
(Sorry @Coolguy15 that's not directed at you, just an in general thing to see daily people asking for an update)
People asking for daily updates is getting old already to me. Yes BGW is moving amazingly fast, but starting to pour footers (if that's what they are doing) is going to be slow going, and we're better off with a 7-10 day wait between updates on the constriction site. Honestly. Only so many times I can look at a video of the field from the train with so few changes before I start dreaming.
Ok, small rant but it's over.
(Sorry @Coolguy15 that's not directed at you, just an in general thing to see daily people asking for an update)
Can't really blame people for being excited though..
All the folks asking for updates shows, to me, how much interest/excitement there is in this new coaster.
All the folks asking for updates shows, to me, how much interest/excitement there is in this new coaster.
Sure, but if people are excited to see updates, what's the problem with that?
After the third or fourth update where little visible change can be seen, don't you think that people will naturally start slowing down with the requests?
After the third or fourth update where little visible change can be seen, don't you think that people will naturally start slowing down with the requests?
I explained why. I don't see why you have to keep pushing back. Personally I feel like it's asking people who go to a park for the enjoyment to treat going there like a job. When Skyrush was being built I was one of the people taking update pictures. Often I would drive by the site or ride the Kissing Tower. If I saw something of note I would end up riding (or driving by) a second time or the next day for the pictures. But there were plenty of days/time I just completely ignored that there was construction going on.
Basically I want the people that are nice enough to do this for us to do it because they want to, not because people are constantly asking them to.
Basically I want the people that are nice enough to do this for us to do it because they want to, not because people are constantly asking them to.
You're acting like you're the boss and can set the rules. I have just as much right to say that I don't see a problem with update requests as much as you have a right to say that you don't like them.
Requests are requests. They are not mandates and don't have to be followed up on. If people are at the park and feel like taking update shots, they will.
I don't think it's necessary to come on here and suggest that people should only request every 7-11 days.
Requests are requests. They are not mandates and don't have to be followed up on. If people are at the park and feel like taking update shots, they will.
I don't think it's necessary to come on here and suggest that people should only request every 7-11 days.
In no way am I trying to make a rule or act like a boss. These updates are coming from people with careers/jobs/responsibilities. People who are taking time out of their enjoyment of BGW to film and photograph the construction site for us to view. They are being nice enough to do so for people who don’t go to the park frequently.
I personally feel like asking for an update from the site daily from people friendly enough to do so (I’m there usually 2 days a week, I don’t do update pics because I have a horrible camera) starts to wear thin on the people willing to do so.
I have friends with a similar site to ParkFans who so drone shots of construction sites. You wouldn’t believe the amount of angry emails they get for not doing it daily. For a group of people who do that as a hobby, have full time jobs, and frankly have to get the parks permission each time they fly the drone.
I personally feel like asking for an update from the site daily from people friendly enough to do so (I’m there usually 2 days a week, I don’t do update pics because I have a horrible camera) starts to wear thin on the people willing to do so.
I have friends with a similar site to ParkFans who so drone shots of construction sites. You wouldn’t believe the amount of angry emails they get for not doing it daily. For a group of people who do that as a hobby, have full time jobs, and frankly have to get the parks permission each time they fly the drone.
I did not see warfelg’s rant as his acting like “the boss” or someone who can “set the rules.” He seemed to me to be doing what many of our members do from time to time, which is express frustration with something either here or at a park. He even apologized up front and explicitly said this was not directed at a specific person.
I see people attempt to moderate the Forum with increasing regularity. I find it disruptive and sometimes personally insulting. warfelg has never done that in my recollection.
Anyway, can we return to whatever passes for civil discourse in this thread?
I see people attempt to moderate the Forum with increasing regularity. I find it disruptive and sometimes personally insulting. warfelg has never done that in my recollection.
Anyway, can we return to whatever passes for civil discourse in this thread?
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On the terraforming of MMXX: I’m glad they found a way to keep plenty of the river bank in tact. Surprised the first turnaround doesn’t go as far down the bank either. This project is also A LOT bigger than I thought it was. I did not realize with some trees gone how big this area truly was.
I find it startling every time they remove a swath of trees. Then I look around and realize they have done it several times and the park has remained pretty. And, of course, we can’t actually have a new coaster inside a forest, just a space that feels forest-y.
Well keep in mind, they did keep a lot of trees and more will grow back with time
Looks like a majority of the terraforming is done. They are done with the slopes down to the river. They've smooth out and laid straw. Wasn't able to get a photo from Apollo. But noticed that it looks like they've moved the Piledriver back over to in front of where the station and initial turn out are again. Also looks as if they've smooth out and flattened the path out of the station into the first launch. We may see more piles driven for the first Footers soon.
While very much true, bolts been around for 7 years and there’s been little regrowth. And to get back the scale of what we lost could be 20-25 years.
Honestly it makes me even more amazed by Boulderdash’s construction. I wish they could find a way to “reverse construct” by clearing 40 feet, put in footers, then vertical before moving on.
Or go and plant full grown trees back in certain spots...
I remember seeing a documentary about some Woody being built - I think it was for Kentucky Kingdom - where they only completely cleared the area for the lift, the rest was only about 20 feet total for the ride path. I think part of that was because the ride was being designed and built in sections so that they didn't want to clear away a whole lot of land when the coaster wasn't going to go through it.
If they could do that there, what's to say it couldn't be done for something like this?
(Not complaining about a ride that isn't even constructed yet btw, more just curious)
I remember seeing a documentary about some Woody being built - I think it was for Kentucky Kingdom - where they only completely cleared the area for the lift, the rest was only about 20 feet total for the ride path. I think part of that was because the ride was being designed and built in sections so that they didn't want to clear away a whole lot of land when the coaster wasn't going to go through it.
If they could do that there, what's to say it couldn't be done for something like this?
(Not complaining about a ride that isn't even constructed yet btw, more just curious)
I guess the question is how much would they be willing to budget for landscaping when it's rolled into the project cost, considering they get a certain amount from corporate to work with.
Would putting in a few full trees mean the difference between a ride with several unique-to-the-park elements or something a little more cookie cutter?
Would putting in a few full trees mean the difference between a ride with several unique-to-the-park elements or something a little more cookie cutter?
I think if expense were the only part of the equation, it would be a different story.
Transplanting full grown tress also has an extremely low chance of success. The trees often can't handle it once they've reached maturity.
So spending a significant amount on something with a small chance of working is the larger equation.
Transplanting full grown tress also has an extremely low chance of success. The trees often can't handle it once they've reached maturity.
So spending a significant amount on something with a small chance of working is the larger equation.
Talking about $20,000 per tree. I know when you are talking about a multi-million dollar project that sounds really low, but also consider tree removal (cutting down) is about $2,000, and relocating is about $40,000.
So lets say you remove 200 trees: $400,000
Relocate 50 trees: $2,000,000
Plans 50 new trees: $1,000,000
Not including incidentals (time lost to weather, labor for hard to remove, and anything else), that's $3.4 million in landscaping alone to remove and plant mature trees. Factor that with immature trees:
Remove the 200: $400,000
Plant 100 "immature" trees at $750 a pop: $75,000
Even with possible incidentals it's about $500,000 for the same number of trees to be removed and planted by going is immature trees.
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