Project 2022: Pantheon

[b.mac]

I'm almost certain at this point that the coaster will not be 300 feet tall at any point. Above current ground level, above grade, above lowest point of the coaster, etc.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say this thing won't even have a drop above 230 feet, and have the top hat somewhere in the neighborhood of 165-170 feet above where the launch is. That 315 foot height permit was most likely for the original project which got canned.

 

[warfelg]

I wonder if the spike will be 300, pulls you up it, or maybe they do a SFGA and put a drop tower on the spike (yes I know they have MT already but they can do something different with that one)

 

[b.mac]

Unless BGW wants to build a modern Escape from Krypton, no.

 

[GrandpaD]

I just stumbled on this newly released video from Coaster Studios with a brilliant analysis of this project. He gives kudos to the site and really gets into his interpretation of @Zachary's layout.

Edit - @warfelg In the video the author mentions that it might do a "pull up" ala Mr. Freeze.

This a screen of the layout over Google maps from the video.

Here's the video on YouTube.

 

[b.mac]

thankfully the restaurants block a lot of that back vew but I really hope they save those trees...

 

[Thomas]

There was a portion of the documents which we haven't shown that has the plans for all the new trees to be planted once the coaster is complete. The area by the Rhine and behind Marco Polo have heavy amounts of replanting.

 

[William545]

My only main concern about Intamin doing this project is potential Downtime. Intamin is my favorite manufacturer, but as proven by Volcano and I305 up the road, they can be hard as hell to keep up. Especially considering Maintenance was the thing that did Volcano in. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Well volcano was built 20 years ago and I305 was built almost 11 years ago. Intamin has changed a lot since then.

 

[Zimmy]

My gut is that the max speed is a red herring. I have a gut feeling, and who knows it might just be the pork I just ate, but I think Seas is going for records here. I think they want longest drop. With the extra feet down the hill towards the rhine, that puts up to a potential, what 325 maybe 330?

 

[madmax]

I highly highly doubt it’s 315 feet with this tightly packed layout.

 

[GrandpaD]

My gut is that the max speed is a red herring. I have a gut feeling, and who knows it might just be the pork I just ate, but I think Seas is going for records here. I think they want longest drop. With the extra feet down the hill towards the rhine, that puts up to a potential, what 325 maybe 330?

I'd check the pork. With an LSM, you need speed to achieve height to give you that big of a drop. If you look at the key points Intamin gave in their presentation I posted, there's a good many brag points for Seas.

 

[Zimmy]

I'd check the pork. With an LSM, you need speed to achieve height to give you that big of a drop. If you look at the key points Intamin gave in their presentation I posted, there's a good many brag points for Seas.

Oh, I totally agree you need speed. My point was I think the number 78 is BS. Between the speed gained from the drop on the spike plus that huge accelerator I think, I am no expert, but I think it is probably possible.

 

[GrandpaD]

Oh, I totally agree you need speed. My point was I think the number 78 is BS. Between the speed gained from the drop on the spike plus that huge accelerator I think, I am no expert, but I think it is probably possible.

I'm no expert either. But looking at other coasters (like Red Force) it takes not only speed but track length to accelerate to 90+mph to crest that high. I don't think either are present here.

 

[PhantomJB93]

I'm no expert either. But looking at other coasters (like Red Force) it takes not only speed but track length to accelerate to 90+mph to crest that high. I don't think either are present here.

With the triple-launch you won’t need anywhere near as much track length to hit a top speed like that. Coasters like Red Force go from a dead stop to top speed over that length. This will have two launches to get it momentum to get up a spike and then whatever speed it gets from the spike drop plus a third launch to get it up a top hat.

I have my own doubts about this hitting 300’+ myself, but that’s because I doubt the leaked slide stats were deliberate misdirection or that it would have changed that drastically from what we saw on that, plus the “above grade” statement can be interpreted many different ways. But it’s not because what we know from the overhead layout makes it not feasible.

 

[GrandpaD]

As I said, I'm no where near an expert. But I have to agree with others here and the excellent analysis on the Coaster Studios video that we aren't going to see a 315ft top hat. The latter is estimating a top hat of around 200ft with a top speed "going down to the Rhine" at about 80mph. That's about 4mph faster than the Parc Asterix design. The speed going up the PA top hat is 67mph, according to Intamin. That's the same speed as Soaring with Dragon. It hits 77mph going down.

 

[----------------------]

Well volcano was built 20 years ago and I305 was built almost 11 years ago. Intamin has changed a lot since then.

The new ones are bad too man:

SEAS Intamins(I'm aware of):
-Pompeii: frequently down
-Roman Rapids: Ocasionally down
-Congo River Rapids:frequently down
-Cheetah Hunt: frequently down
-Falcon's Fury: Constantly down
-Infinity Falls:6 months late, open for a few months, down frequently, and currently down for "annual maintenance"

 

[Bring Back Questor 87]

I think the concept of this coaster has the potential to revolve around a Labyrinth or a Minotaur. After reading about both of these and their connections to each other, the Minotaur's duality as a man and bull could service the idea of the reverse/switch launch section if BG wants to connect that idea to this being a coaster with a "dual thrill" in that regard.

The Labyrinth was the very thing that contained the Minotaur, so "escaping" it would be a worthwhile theme if they wanted to go that route IMO.

Perhaps I am completely off base and it will be dubbed "Dippin' Dots Dastardly Dasher." ?

 

[Lord Robert]

"Minotaur" or "Cerberus" could be really good names for this coaster. ?

 

[ijerngvidsnvk]

thankfully the restaurants block a lot of that back vew but I really hope they save those trees...

I'm sure they'll save most of them. Hopefully they only cut down what is absolutely neccessary.

 

[Icer]

The new ones are bad too man:

SEAS Intamins(I'm aware of):
-Pompeii: frequently down
-Roman Rapids: Ocasionally down
-Congo River Rapids:frequently down
-Cheetah Hunt: frequently down
-Falcon's Fury: Constantly down
-Infinity Falls:6 months late, open for a few months, down frequently, and currently down for "annual maintenance"

Almost none of these are "new", and out of all these, one is a roller coaster. And it opened nearly 10 years ago. That's not new either.

 

[warfelg]

Unfortunately I think most the trees will be coming out. Cutting just enough for the ride makes it VERY difficult to get construction equipment there. I think the best to hope for is that they decide to use a live tree removal and try to preserve some of them to replant fully grown. Otherwise it's going to take the area about 10-15 years to recover.