Project 2021/Drachen Spire: Intamin Multi-Launch Shuttle Giga Coaster [Cancelled]

warfelg · May 15, 2019

BGWnut said:
Watching the hearing and seeing what JCC is saying it really sounds like they don't care what KM has to say and that they only did this to appease then because they already know that they will approve BGW's height waiver.

I wouldn't say don't care what KCSA has to say, but rather I would interpret the boards statements as this:
Busch makes everything possible in our county, they do more than they have to with keeping KCSA involved, they do more than any other park does. As long as they keep doing more than the law requires, we're going to be ok with them operating the way they do.

---------------------- · May 16, 2019

getting similar rides from one park to another in close proximity is not unheard of. There are two batman clones in San Antonio and a third up the street in Dallas.

PhantomJB93 · May 16, 2019

That lady threatening to have attractions torn down after they’ve already been constructed is one of the most arrogant and entitled things I’ve seen in a while.

Definitely the type of person who got a flagpole in her neighborhood taken down one time and got the idea she could have that done to anything on anybody’s property if she didn’t like it.

BGWnut · May 16, 2019

Based on the comments from this hearing about the attraction I really don't see how it can be anything but a coaster.

With that being said if they use the full height waiver and with them saying that the loudest part is down the hill by the river, that drop should be insane. We are talking almost a 400 foot drop which is insane.

redsoxfan787 · May 16, 2019

Jahrules said:
They'd complain that the ride hits a longer drive than they can.

And that it’s a straight shot.

Zimmy · May 16, 2019

GotsFancyPants said:
Sauce?

I like Tidewater BBQ myself, but if we are talking sandwiches, Taste's house dressing is hard to beat!

PhantomJB93 said:
That lady threatening to have attractions torn down after they’ve already been constructed is one of the most arrogant and entitled things I’ve seen in a while.

Definitely the type of person who got a flagpole in her neighborhood taken down one time and got the idea she could have that done to anything on anybody’s property if she didn’t like it.

Dear VA Gazette,
I am clutching my pearls! Something must be done about these hooligans at that den of inequity next door to my beloved Kingsmill! I have heard that they are building something, something EVIL! It is the sort of thing that could drive an otherwise sweet young lady to do unspeakable things... like... DANCING TO ROCK AND ROLL!

It is far time for the powers that be put a stop to these sorts of things. If it is ever built I DEMAND that it be torn down.

Yours,
Angry in Kingsmill

GrandpaD · May 16, 2019

madmax said:
I can’t see them building an Intamin giga so close to I305.

The GP doesn't know an Intamin from a Chick-fil-A. To them, it's a roller coaster. The reason I posted the Walibi presentation was - Could any of the elements shown be incorporated in a Giga to avoid similarities between 305 yet not just look like a taller MMXX?

BGWnut said:
With that being said if they use the full height waiver and with them saying that the loudest part is down the hill by the river, that drop should be insane. We are talking almost a 400 foot drop which is insane.

I just can't see it that tall. If I recall from MMXX discussions of height, it could be interpreted for JCC (not FAA, as it's a different process) that the waiver includes the construction cranes. If it's a giga (I'm not 100% sold) and BGW is shooting for bragging rights, maybe 330-335. Still, that is a huge drop.

mountaineers · May 16, 2019

Based on these comments I'm sure that Andrew at one time has called 911 on screaming kids at some point in his life. After the waver is approved BGW should call it project "Screamin' Colossal Roaring Ear-splitting Awesome Machine" or SCREAM for short.

Jahrules · May 16, 2019

mountaineers said:
Based on these comments I'm sure that Andrew at one time has called 911 on screaming kids at some point in his life. After the waver is approved BGW should call it project "Screamin' Colossal Roaring Ear-splitting Awesome Machine" or SCREAM for short.

Or Amazing Noise Disruption Ridiculous Eardrum Wrecker (ANDREW)

Nicole · May 16, 2019

Zimmy said:
Dear VA Gazette,
I am clutching my pearls! Something must be done about these hooligans at that den of inequity next door to my beloved Kingsmill! I have heard that they are building something, something EVIL! It is the sort of thing that could drive an otherwise sweet young lady to do unspeakable things... like... DANCING TO ROCK AND ROLL!

It is far time for the powers that be put a stop to these sorts of things. If it is ever built I DEMAND that it be torn down.

Yours,
Angry in Kingsmill

@Zimmy, as you know there is an appropriate thread for this kind of content.

warfelg · May 16, 2019

PhantomJB93 said:
That lady threatening to have attractions torn down after they’ve already been constructed is one of the most arrogant and entitled things I’ve seen in a while.

Definitely the type of person who got a flagpole in her neighborhood taken down one time and got the idea she could have that done to anything on anybody’s property if she didn’t like it.

She's the driving force behind "KCSA v Dominion Power". She's appealed the decision 3 times now, and if you want a good laugh look at those cases.

warfelg · May 16, 2019

warfelg said:
Maximum volume 44-52 decibles. Your A/C compressor is 85.

I want to quote myself here, and run back something that came up quick. I'm going to guess I can consider myself PF's resident golfing expert. I've played the River Course about 8 times now. The noise from the park is NOTHING! 6 green on the River Course (2500 feet from InvadR; 2800 feet from Griffon) gets more noise from birds, Wareham's Pond Road, and the DRY BOAT STORAGE!!!! I was more distracted by the old guy who nearly caused an accident from driving down the middle of the road than I was the 'blood curdling scream' from Griffon in the middle of my backswing. Heck my mom was more of a distraction than the screams from rides.

tursiops · May 16, 2019

I'm still trying to figure out the part of this being so critical to the parks future. It could be: A- a massive dramatization for effect. B- this coaster is part of a package deal, maybe even money that is nonrefundable. C- part of a much grander design. Do they see this as part of a larger expansion for that area? Are these projects and a potential SPW part of a grand scheme to really boost BGW and maybe even push toward the rumored year round/ resort plan?

At this point I personally lean toward believing option A, but who really knows.

GrandpaD · May 16, 2019

Jeez, the last few pages have turned into a Dr. Phil show. ???

We get it...they don't get it.

Celticdog · May 16, 2019

Just to give an alternate insight on this...

I am involved in the civil engineering/land development industry. On many occasions we would present a very elaborate and often times ambitious plan to the local reviewing authority. We then would get pushback and negative feedback from the community and adjacent residents. The plan would then be modified to appease the locals. Another round of public hearings and then another round of plan changes. This could go on for many months, sometimes more than a year until we got to a plan that everyone agreed was acceptable. The final plan was usually what the developer wanted all along.

My point is that BG may have submitted for a 355' height waiver, but that may not the target height they actually want. They will make concessions to the locals which will bring down the height. The locals think they have won a great victory and BG will get their target height exactly where they wanted.

This is a game that is played. If you're ever bored, go to Board of Supervisors meeting or a Planning Commission meeting and you can see all this unfold.

madmax · May 16, 2019

That actually makes a lot of sense. Set their expectations low so you get what you want in the end.

Logang · May 16, 2019

I honestly think, if it is a package deal, a mega-coaster is their best choice. I'd take an Expedition GeForce over Millenium Force any day of the week. Giga coasters are just stat additions honestly. You ask any enthusiast and they'll all tell you only a few of the gigas in the world are actually world-class.

BGWnut · May 16, 2019

sunchild said:
getting similar rides from one park to another in close proximity is not unheard of. There are two batman clones in San Antonio and a third up the street in Dallas.

Six Flags Fiesta Texas and Six Flags over Texas actually have two rides that are clones of each other. At Fiesta Texas they have an S&S freespin called Batman: The Ride and over Texas has a clone called The Joker. Fiesta Texas then has a B&M inverted banned Goliath that has a clone at Over Texas called Batman: The ride.

That said those parks are over 5 hours away from each other and are owned by the same company so they likely don't care as much about differentiation. It's been discussed on this forum before but BGW wouldn't preclude itself from building something just because KD already has one. They would however look to differentiate between the two so it doesn't appear to be the same ride. Which is why GrandpaD had such a great point about maybe elements from the Walibi Belgium coaster could be used in this ride to differentiate it.

tursiops said:
I'm still trying to figure out the part of this being so critical to the parks future. It could be: A- a massive dramatization for effect. B- this coaster is part of a package deal, maybe even money that is nonrefundable. C- part of a much grander design. Do they see this as part of a larger expansion for that area? Are these projects and a potential SPW part of a grand scheme to really boost BGW and maybe even push toward the rumored year round/ resort plan?

At this point I personally lean toward believing option A, but who really knows.

SEAS has determined that they need to shift and focus on rides and attractions in the short term in order to be competitive and attract people. I believe when they say it is a critical decision it references this. SEAS feels they need this to be competitive and to draw people in.

I could also see it being option C where there is a larger expansion and SEAS is trying to make Williamsburg a much bigger deal and bring in more tourists/keep them occupied longer.

Basically with tourists in the area BGW is trying to convince them to stay an extra day instead of going to KD if their primary destination is Williamsburg or VA beach. If their going to KD/Richmond or DC the idea is to convince them that they need to use a day to go to BGW over spending another day at KD. Building SPW and some more attractions would enable them to do that more effectively. The same is also true in reverse for KD. They want to convince people who are visiting BGW that they need to take at least a day of their trip to come visit KD or that people who are already at KD don't need to visit BGW.

warfelg · May 16, 2019

Celticdog said:
Just to give an alternate insight on this...

I am involved in the civil engineering/land development industry. On many occasions we would present a very elaborate and often times ambitious plan to the local reviewing authority. We then would get pushback and negative feedback from the community and adjacent residents. The plan would then be modified to appease the locals. Another round of public hearings and then another round of plan changes. This could go on for many months, sometimes more than a year until we got to a plan that everyone agreed was acceptable. The final plan was usually what the developer wanted all along.

My point is that BG may have submitted for a 355' height waiver, but that may not the target height they actually want. They will make concessions to the locals which will bring down the height. The locals think they have won a great victory and BG will get their target height exactly where they wanted.

This is a game that is played. If you're ever bored, go to Board of Supervisors meeting or a Planning Commission meeting and you can see all this unfold.

While I agree 100% with this.....some of the people that spoke sound like any compromise is going to be ok with them. Like I pointed out in the KCSA v Dominion case, Dominion is being sued because power lines across the river 'ruined their view'

BGWnut · May 16, 2019

DangerRaide said:
I honestly think, if it is a package deal, a mega-coaster is their best choice. I'd take an Expedition GeForce over Millenium Force any day of the week. Giga coasters are just stat additions honestly. You ask any enthusiast and they'll all tell you only a few of the gigas in the world are actually world-class.

There are only currently 5 Gigas in the world (I don't count rides like red force, Kingda Ka or Tower of Terror 2 as Gigas). Those 5 Gigas are:

Millennium Force
Fury 325
Steel Dragon 2000
Intimidator 305
Leviathan

Of those 5 Gigas they have the following rank inGolden Tickets Top 50 Steel Coasters in 2018:

Fury 325 - #1
Millennium Force - #2
Leviathan - #8
Intimidator 305 - #12

I'm not seeing how 4 out of the 5 Gigas built being in the top 12 means they are just stat additions and that enthusiasts don't care about them.

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