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"Project Drachen Spire," is a community-generated identifier for the Intamin-made, multi-launch, shuttle giga coaster that was originally slated to open at Busch Gardens Williamsburg in 2021. The attraction is planned to utilize the currently-vacant land behind Verbolten, Festhaus Park—the former home of Drachen Fire.

The coaster's main layout—as leaked before the addition was delayed due to the COVID-19 pandemic—featured two launches, two spikes (one spiral, one vertical-ish), and a couple of banked turns. Drachen Spire was designed to run two trains by means of a pair of switch tracks connecting the primary, shuttle portion of the layout to the station platform.

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Woah okay I go away for a day and speculation blows up, especially about ride similarities (which is my specialty).

Alright here we go. cracking knuckles

Parks have had a history of adding similar rides to their neighboring competition for a long ass time, hell some are bad enough to where they do it in the same park.

I will keep on bringing up Dorney, GAdv, and Hershey with their habits of playing follow the leader. Batman, Great Bear, Talon. Steel Force, Nitro, Skyrush (and if you want to be a smartass, 2020). You also have SeaWorld San Antonio and Fiesta Texas which both share a goddamn Batman clone in the same Municipality.

As long as there's a gap between the additions and a difference in the product nothing is going to stop a competing park from going "we'll build that." At least with a Star Flyer BGW won't have to keep a set of evacuation cages on hand at all times or have a medical team on standby incase the wind goes above 10 mph because guests will get kneecapped. A Star Flyer can also actually run in a steady wind.

As per its similarities with a Wave Swinger, most of the Six Flags parks got rid of theirs because they were park originals and parts were not easy to come by. A Star Flyer and a Wave Swinger also have similar height restrictions (both of GAdv's are/were 42 inches) which any way you smell it is much more accomodating than Windseeker's utterly asinine 52 inches. North Star at Valleyfair also is proof of concept you don't need a gaudy topping element or some extreme lighting package, so if it's planned for properly it doesn't need to light up anyone's house at night.

So onward and upward to the roller coaster discussion. It was my understanding the original giga concept was going to be more Red Force than traditional. Reuse Drachen Station, launch out towards Festa Field, Top Hat, come back. Nothing exactly world breaking there. It also falls in line with quarterly performances and business strategy that BGW and SEAS thought the money would be better invested going into two separate expansions instead of one gigantic one. B&M was never really on the table for me from the get-go and I doubt there was any behind the table dealmaking going on between the park and manufacturers.

Now going into the competition between BGW and KD, outside of Richmond I think y'all are severely overestimating the clout of their "rivalry" along with why Twisted Timbers came to be. Twisted Timbers fit the bill more as a smaller Gwazi and not a "oh this is definitely a shot at competition." It was the cheapest alternative move comapred to taking it down and replacing it with literally anything else, especially since for whatever reason KD couldn't reopen the ride for 2016 or 2017. KD before then was content with keeping it around because it was out of their way and the capex they were spending was going elsewhere in the park. Which if you ask me even 5 years ago was the smart move. KD needed that appearance update along with all the rides it added in place of Hurler for the 40th anniversary timeframe. That same situation can be brought up for Tornado as well, but the demolition was cheap enough to warrant even with their 2019 capex share they started receiving around that time.

Back to that rivalry though, BGW and KD both are in economically advantageous positions in terms of geographic position but in terms of population they're stuck between a rock and a hard place. Richmond, DC, and Norfolk / Newport News are simply not major population centers like Philly, NYC, and LA, or have the population growth like Charlotte or Phoenix. BGW hit that threshold before Griffon, which was why we all remember that insane marketing strategy they had for 2007 and 2008 advertising all the way up into New York. KD has hit its threshold some time before Intimidator, but it's jard to grasp when due to the administration changes and KD not being one of the top parks in terms of annual attendance, so they don't really get brought up that often along with their numbers. The attendance threshold I am talking about btw is simply the ceiling of what the local population base can do in supporting an amusement park. Almost every mid-major to major amusement park in the US has hit it at this time because people simply are not paying to go on huge trips like pre-financial crisis, so parks are trying to crack that mould by bringing in fresher markets away from Disney and Universal with that carrot of "you don't have to drop a mortgage payment to come visit us instead." This is why you see parks building sporting complexes and hotels, they're building their infrastructure for what will hopefully be another boom like what happened before the financial crisis. BGW already has that infrastructure in place, along with the other major SEAS parks, so it's only natural they drop more money into rides and getting a quicker return on them instead of building up for something that might not even come. KD is in a similar boat with hotel infrastructure around their park, but their issue is that there's nothing to do nearby outside of the annual state fair. There's less of an incentive to visit compared to BGW, Hersheypark, or Dollywood, all of which have their hands in some of that DC / Richmond / Tidewater pie.
 
Well now that the essay is out of the way I'm gonna add to it a little more.

If this is going to be a traditional Giga, I think it'll be something more in line with i305 and Leviathan and not something like Millennium Force or Fury.
 
Well now that the essay is out of the way I'm gonna add to it a little more.

If this is going to be a traditional Giga, I think it'll be something more in line with i305 and Leviathan and not something like Millennium Force or Fury.

Can’t see them building an I305. Super redundant to both...well...I305 and MMXX. Leviathan I can maybe see but idk if BGW wants to essentially build a prototype from 2012.

I’m gonna throw another egg into the basket and say that RMC is a possibility if the T-Rex model is ready.
 
Regardless of what they build...it kind of makes you wonder about the projected Sesame Place. Contracts stated a new park by Summer 2021 somewhere. Not saying that logistically they couldn't have 2 concurrent construction projects, but two big, totally different projects vying for attention and dollars at the same time makes zero marketing sense to me.
 
two big, totally different projects vying for attention and dollars at the same time makes zero marketing sense to me.

Counterpoint: If Sesame Place Williamsburg is happening for 2021 (I grow more doubtful of that possibility by the day for the record), maybe it makes sense to add a Star Flyer to BGW that same year to counteract potential attendance losses to Sesame Place Williamsburg and show continued dedication to investment in BGW.
 
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Counterpoint: If Sesame Place Williamsburg is happening for 2021 (I grow more doubtful of that possibility by the day for the record), maybe it makes sense to add a Star Flyer to BGW that same year to counteract potential attendance losses to Sesame Place Williamsburg and show continued dedication to investment in BGW.

Very much agree with this. The best way to not let a SPW impact BGW and WCUSA negatively is to have both parks put in some good investments the 2/3 years leading up and the 2/3 years after.
 
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Ugh, the shows. What a colossal waste of money. Sometimes all that glitters... is just cheap glitter, Scott.

Actually, let me amend that: what a colossal waste of your money. When you purchase tickets to BGW and they pump out award-losing shows like London Rocks (!!!), you're effectively rewarding bad behavior. When you keep buying in and they slap you in the face with closing down rides with no replacements, and installing crappy, incremental stop-gaps - you're basically telling them, please keep shitting on us. When you go to Christmas Town and they run out of hot chocolate after standing in line for an hour... Nevermind. I can just go on and on.

This is why I don't go to BGW - at least not right now. Want my money? Show me you want it, BGW. Stop trying to upcharge me on nostalgia and hot air.
 
I swear, this thread is almost a duplicate of the first 80-90 pages of the MMXX thread. We've got the "it's gonna be a giga" group being countered with the "nah, it's a tower" faction.

Before this thread gets too (more) crazy, let's see where the FAA filing places it (hopefully, it's placed on a map more accurately than before). I'd assume that'll come fairly soon. That location will allow for more educated "guesses" instead of "it's gotta be because I want it to be" posts. ?
 
You'll learn to either ignore most of it or figure out ways to call out both sides for being unrealistic.

It's been a while since we've had someone who could toss gasoline on both fires...
 
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Y'all are right...what was I thinking? The Ensure just hadn't kicked in. Carry on....

So, maybe they're trolling us and throwing a sign and a shitload of flags on top to make it taller.

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You'll learn to either ignore most of it or figure out ways to call out both sides for being unrealistic.

It's been a while since we've had someone who could toss gasoline on both fires...

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