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RE: Project 2015: Premier Rides Coaster for Festa Italia

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diavolo&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddiavolo%2Bwiki%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D667
So I finally found some background research in english. Diavolo means devil and usually relates to what's down there. I hope they could make half of it enclosed so it would be him trying to pull you back in and eventually you escape. This name I don't think is going to go down well.(N) Just looking worse and worse...
 
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RE: Project 2015: Premier Rides Coaster for Festa Italia

The thoughts of 'heavy theming' going around would definitely improve the success of the ride. Not sure if anyone has noticed or not, but the German clone Sky Scream has an entire vampire village at the foot of it. "They're only noodles Michael".
 
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Mazakman said:
The thoughts of 'heavy theming' going around would definitely improve the success of the ride. Not sure if anyone has noticed or not, but the German clone Sky Scream has an entire vampire village at the foot of it. "They're only noodles Michael".
DISCLAIMER: It's not done but they said it would be out by 2015.
 
RE: Project 2015: Premier Rides Coaster for Festa Italia

I would be in favor of lots of theming, but would a clone really deserve it? You can only polish a turd so much.
 
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A shiny brown lump wouldn't stand out that much in Festa, excluding AC.
 
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Not to mention the ride is also going into Festa Italia, if it's really going to fit the overarching theme of the current area there's not much they can do.
 
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Connor said:
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diavolo&prev=/search%3Fq%3Ddiavolo%2Bwiki%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D667
So I finally found some background research in english. Diavolo means devil and usually relates to what's down there. I hope they could make half of it enclosed so it would be him trying to pull you back in and eventually you escape. This name I don't think is going to go down well.(N) Just looking worse and worse...

Sorry, but it was already mentioned Diavolo means devil. The thing is, as mentioned previously, Diavolo is already trademarked by someone else. That and usually the names used in/on planning documents always tend to be false to confuse people like us. As Zachary mentioned, the Verbolten plans actually had "Elementum" as the ride's name. So at this point, a theme is still up in the air, but I think it is safe to say that it won't relate to the devil or Hell in any way.

However, that would be interesting. Two coasts side by side, one about soaring over the clouds and the other about going deep into Hell.
 
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RE: Project 2015: Premier Rides Coaster for Festa Italia

Well somebody wanted me to come up with a ride concept, so here goes.

Gladiator's Gauntlet: Are you ready to challenge the ultimate gladiator's test? - Busch Gardens Williamsburg project 2015

Ride entrance is a well-themed tribute to the gladiators of the past. There are statues of soldiers, columns, and plenty of nice landscaping. The sign is the general Roman theme with the columns and triangle roof.

The queue line takes you into the heart of Rome. There are plenty of details to go around. Posters, graffiti, and other nice touches mark the walls along with the nice landscaping the park is known for. The theming will be extensive like Verbolten's.

There is an indoor section of the queue line that takes you into a dungeon where the gladiators are kept between shows. Guests are invited to take part in the ultimate competition, the Gladiator's Gauntlet. As with the outside queue, there will be plenty of props and theming to go around inside.

The station looks like a holding area for the gladiators to take part in the competition. The theming probably won't be as extensive as Verbolten's, but there will be props and things scattered about.

The all clear is given. Let's rock!

The ride begins with a rocking launch into a special effects tunnel. Stobes, lights, cheers/sound effects go off as you launch backwards then forwards, then backwards, then forwards again. The faster you go, the more intense the effects become.

After the second kick, you hit the 90 degree hill upwards. You level out in an inverted stall 150 feet in the air. Nothing below you but the ground. Then you roll into an upright position. As with any Busch coaster, it has to have a gimmick, so a holding brake slows you down as you head into the world's steepest drop.

A strategically placed camera sits at the bottom of the drop to get your picture.

Afterwards you hit the first element - a non-inverting loop similar to Rockit and Superman followed by a regular loop. If that's not disorienting enough, the ride throws you into a dive loop before hitting the brake run in the station.

Once you quickly exit the station, you pass the photo stand and into the gift shop at the ride exit (as always).

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It's not a very long ride, but the steep drop followed by the back to back inversions should give the ride enough punch to satisfy any thrill seeker. The ride should be themed up to Busch standards. After seeing what the park can do with Verbolten, I can't see the park half-assing the theming for project 2015.

Please excuse the overabundance of supports in the picture. I'm an artist, not an architect. Chances are any huge amount of supports will be covered up by the ride station. The pink box indicates the actual station where you get on/off.

I hope the park realizes Festa looks terrible and renovates the entire area for the new coaster.
 

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RE: Project 2015: Premier Rides Coaster for Festa Italia

Illy said:
I would be in favor of lots of theming, but would a clone really deserve it?  You can only polish a turd so much.
Polish can take things very far. I mean somebody sold their fecal matter in a can for it's weight in gold, and people bought it. (Sort of ironic that the artist is Italian too. lol)

As long as somebody's willing to enjoy it/love it/believe in it/brings in more people, it'll be a success. Until they realize that it's actually not.

I would love it if this addition would bring a new theme overlay. This would be more fitting of a retheme than Banbury for London Rocks. But I just don't see it happening. Not for 2015 anyways.
 
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So, I'm a little late to the party but I'd like to throw my two cents into the ring:

New coasters attract guests. There is no denying that. If advertised properly, this new attraction is certain to bring in guests eager to try the new attraction. Duh.

But- just because coasters make cash doesn't mean it's a good fit for BGW right now. It will only be three years after a $52 million dollar coaster opens that this ride debuts. Yes, the park did this with Alpengeist and Apollo's Chariot with two years in between, but that was in order to ride the wave of B&M success the park experienced. It really does seem like BGW is panicking and throwing something together at the last second.

The fact that this attraction is a coaster aside, there are quite a few things I find wrong with this right off the bat. I want to make it clear that what I (and many others) are doing is not making "assumptions" when we "know nothing." We know a great deal about this ride already: location, model, manufacturer, capacity, characteristics, etc. etc.  Really all we don't know at this point is the ride's theme, name, and color scheme. And nobody is really knocking that.

We're not knocking the ride experience; we're knocking the plans. Let me elaborate:

The support system is horrendous. Compared to the clean-cut and rather minimal supports of every other on of the park's coasters, the support system spiderwebs out, making a cage around the track that's almost as noticeable as the ride itself. Since this is an off-the-shelf clone with the exact same footer layout, it seems highly unlikely that the supports would be designed any differently. When I look at Volcano: The Blast Coaster at Kings Dominion, the illusion of looking at a mountain is essentially lost to the crap ton of supports jetting out all over the place. I don't see this looking nice among the trees in the World's Most Beautiful Theme Park at all- oh wait...

...goodbye trees! Clearing trees in the ride's path like in Verbolten is one thing- depleting every tree around the ride is another. The thing that makes BGW's coasters so special in my opinion is the zipping through the trees, totally surrounded in the forest.

Something I want to point out real quick: Verbolten is a good coaster. A great amount of thought, effort, and money went into designing such a unique coaster experience. However, it still flopped in the long run. The return investment was nowhere near what was anticipated, and the $52 million price tag is still insane considering it's more than twice what their 200-foot tall B&M diver cost.

Capacity is a whole different issue. As b.mac pointed out, the ride's max capacity is one third of that of Volcano at Kings Dominion. For those who aren't aware, Volcano is infamous for notoriously long lines which can stretch well over an our on even vastly empty days. Capacity three times as low as Volcano is mindbogglingly and unbelievably low. Like, I don't even know what Premier was even thinking when they designed that thing.

Furthermore, what I see being the worst part about this attraction is the location, no doubt about that. Something unique about BGW is the unique and grand view before entering the parking lot. What you see is a vast skyline with trees, dotted here and there with only the tallest coasters and attractions, with the purple tracks of Apollo's Chariot blazing past the front. I cannot wrap my mind around why the park would want to put this ride right next to Apollo's Chariot. I believe somebody mentioned that this would help "advertise" the ride more and get people excited, and while I can see the park reasoning that, if it's true- that is a silly, silly, drastic mistake. I think it's funny that Kings Dominion is working to get away from that "coaster collector" image (wherein you are met with a skyline that looks like the Roller Coaster God just puked all over the park), and BGW is putting a tangled mess of coaster right up front and center. It could make a good impression to some, but for those who aren't interested in the big flashy rides, I see this not making a strong impact on the look of the area.

If I didn't know any better, I'd start to wonder if Paramount bought the park during my absence. I kid of course, but this is exactly what Paramount did with Kings Dominion: put rides all around the park, just for the sake of adding rides. Not to create an experience, but just to add rides. Rides weren't special anymore, and in fact plenty were plopped right next to each other which is why Kings Dominion is still faced with the burden of being considered a coaster collector, despite their tedious efforts to erase that image. Unlike some paint and a little Coke shop in a nearby hamlet, things like this can't just be reversed if needed. Something like this can have drastic changes on the park, for better or for worse.

Heavy theming is certainly welcome (and in my mind, imperative for keeping this from being a total disaster)- but I still don't see it as enough to cover up so many other shortcomings. It's putting lipstick on a pig.

But there's just nothing I see special about this ride so far to justify it being a good long-term addition to the park like all of BGW's other legendary coasters. The layout and experience isn't unique, and since it exists at other parks many have already been able to make this judgement for themselves. I truly see this as something that the park is putting out as a "novelty" attraction so they can make a quick buck off the attraction, but it will hurt them in the long run. I truly see this as BGW trying to make a quick buck, but the shine will soon wear off and the money will stop flowing in. I just can't tax my brain hard enough to get this.

I honestly cannot believe this is going to be at Busch Gardens Williamsburg.
 
RE: Project 2015: Premier Rides Coaster for Festa Italia

Alpenghöst said:
It's called Coca Cola Twist. It's being made to market their new citrus coke.
If I see one more Coke-a-Cola themed attraction at BGW, I'm going to explode.
 
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Mad Ludwig said:
If I see one more Coke-a-Cola themed attraction at BGW, I'm going to explode.

There is a Coca-Cola themed attraction at BGW? Or are you talking about the Coke Stands?
 
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Party Rocker said:
Mad Ludwig said:
If I see one more Coke-a-Cola themed attraction at BGW, I'm going to explode.

There is a Coca-Cola themed attraction at BGW? Or are you talking about the Coke Stands?
He's joking. Alpenghost first said that the 2015 ride is going to be themed to a citrus coke. Mad Ludwig then said he would explode if he saw that in BGW, which he and the rest of us most definitely should. :p
 
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netdvn said:
Gladiator's Gauntlet

Oh, wow. That name brings back some visually striking but viscerally disappointing memories. :shocked:
 
RE: Project 2015: Premier Rides Coaster for Festa Italia

How long do these coasters take to build, will they be closing off the back section of festa italia late in the season?
 
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