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The first time we went to CT this year, Jake and I were standing on the short wall next to the temporary fence, trying to catch a glimpse of the then few supports that were standing. All of a sudden the unthinkable happens, and an employee came up (he looked young so I assume he was new) and told us about how those supports were for the new ride being constructed and proceeded to tell us his best attempt on the layout of the ride (which wasn't even close to the plans). So apl in all we witnessed an employee admit to the ride
 
Jonquil said:
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This is awesome on multiple levels, mainly because the statement could not be more true!
 
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I kinda see the whole private property deal so technically they could censor certain pictures (being escorted out is a whole different matter) but the thing about Luke's images being taken by the park with little credit given... Isn't that illegal?

Not that the park or parks need more bad publicity - though I get the feeling there may be a purge with any new CEO administration so that publicity may be overshadowed.
 
I could be totally wrong, but I thought Luke allowed then to use the pictures. But they failed to credit him and offered him nothing as a thank you..no swag, money, passes, anything.

My point is that they are happy to exploit him and his pictures, when they are useful to the park; and then publicly humiliate and openly threaten him for taking other pictures.
 
That isn't how an organization is supposed to run. And even if in reality the departments are that disconnected, it doesn't mean we have to excuse them. Basically what you are saying is that Security is running amok, with no oversight or input from the rest of the park.
 
No I wouldn't say that, nor would I excuse poor treatment. In fact, what I am saying is that the departments, all of them, work together like individual people almost. Some feel more important than others. Some don't do any work. But the biggest thing is they don't always work together like they should.
 
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Party Rocker said:
No I wouldn't say that, nor would I excuse poor treatment. In fact, what I am saying is that the departments, all of them, work together like individual people almost. Some feel more important than others. Some don't do any work. But the biggest thing is they don't always work together like they should.

For those curious Comcast also uses a similar model, and look at where their customer satisfaction level ranks.
 
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In Luke's case, I would say somebody from Park Ops or Security themselves saw him taking pictures over a fence in a technically restricted area. They must have thought it wasn't allowed, called Security who goes ahead and assumes it's not permitted and does their best at ensuring the pictures are deleted and that Luke won't ever do it again. I highly doubt they interacted with Marketing at all about the situation.
 
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Well I was taking pictures of this new ride for the site. On my tippy toes....I'm a little short. Apparently they thought I was in a restricted area....(I wasn't...of course.) I was surrounded... Forced to delete all my pictures... Threatened with being banned... And then escorted out of the park.

Well this is a complete 180 from an experienced I had with security at BGW.

I was traveling  through  Williamsburg going somewhere. It was the off season. I knew Griffin was being built. Drove out Rt 60 and pulled in the service  entrance to just see what I could see. Stopped my car took a few pics. So security pulls up. Figured I would catch hell because technically I was trespassing. They asked what I was doing.

Basically there take was as long as I didn't pass through An access gate into a employee only area I could drive around that area and take as many pictures as I wanted  but I couldn't  hang out there for hours.

Seems like a total over reaction  with what you went through considering technically I could have been escorted off the property as well for what I did but security was decent. They understood I was curious and didn't flip out

Edit: Just for clarity I never left "Busch Gardens Boulevard". Which after reviewing on Google Maps appears to be A public road at least in the sense of getting to the employment offices etc for the general public. Please don't take my actions as endorsing potentially mischevious activity to just get that one awesome picture.

Just my thoughts
 
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Party Rocker said:
No I wouldn't say that, nor would I excuse poor treatment. In fact, what I am saying is that the departments, all of them, work together like individual people almost. Some feel more important than others. Some don't do any work. But the biggest thing is they don't always work together like they should.

For those curious Comcast also uses a similar model, and look at where their customer satisfaction level ranks.

And so does like every other company. Not a valid comparison.
 
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Party Rocker said:
In Luke's case, I would say somebody from Park Ops or Security themselves saw him taking pictures over a fence in a technically restricted area. They must have thought it wasn't allowed, called Security who goes ahead and assumes it's not permitted and does their best at ensuring the pictures are deleted and that Luke won't ever do it again. I highly doubt they interacted with Marketing at all about the situation.

You seem to be missing my point. Two different departments in the same organization should not be working at such irreconcilable cross-purposes. There should be a coherent policy across the organization.

As long as we are still talking about this issue, however, lets examine just how inexcusably authoritarian Security was to Luke.

The fact is that there was no sign posted letting anyone know that pictures of the site were prohibited. Further, he never stepped foot in a restricted area. So, clearly, Security just took it upon themselves to enforce some mystery regulation, irrespective of the parks usual policies towards personal photography. It feels as if they were relying on an Animal House style "Double Secret Probation." "We will expel you for violating a rule no one knew existed, and which did not exist last weekend."

Moreover, if they didn't want him taking those specific pictures, in addition to posting signs, they should have simply asked him to stop. Unless he then refused to comply, escorting him to the security office and threatening to ban him for life was completely Draconian. (Even then, I would argue the punishment would not have fit the crime.) He took some pictures from a public path. Pictures that lots of other people had taken previously. He posed no danger to anyone. He wasn't fighting, or drunk, or violent, or stoned, or breaking any laws. How can any reasonable person believe that photographing a large, visible construction site is grounds for permanent expulsion from BGW?

I honestly can't believe we are even having this debate.

Security acted like a bunch of playground bullies, plain and simple. They have a little bit of power, and they chose to use it to intimidate one of the park's biggest, and most useful fans. All they did was ensure BGW lost access to a lot of fantastic, free pictures, taken by a professional photographer.
 
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