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The negatives of this show stick out like nails. They just need to hammer them back a bit. At the end of the day, the park has tried the same old formula over and over for musical shows and Celtic Fyre was the only one to work (during the year of its debut) using a similar formula.

If you look back at Celtic Fyre in 2010, you will find many resemblances in structure, but the show was very well directed. Furthermore, the director wouldn't stop until the criticisms were drowned out by praise. Lately the park has gotten lazy on the director front, and would prefer to start from scratch, wasting more money, rather than trying to find a unified concept and make it work.

One topic that nobody mentioned yet: It is typically a bad idea to make performers do something that can't be duplicated each performance. Both of the instrumentalists are stretched to roughly the highest human potential of instrument playing at the end of some songs. Both of them are phenomenal instrumentalists and performers, yet it is almost impossible for them to hold out those notes precisely during each performance.

If you think I am exaggerating, look at Phantom of the Opera. It's a beautiful show, and the highest grossing musical of all time, yet they still have a backup track for performers that can't for whatever reason hit a specific note every time. While I am not in favor of Busch Gardens rigging their shows (even more than they already do) it may be something for them to consider for these parts. It's better than holding your breath each time wondering whether or not you are about to hear a sour note drawn out for eight seconds straight.
If they do this, they might also want to make the percussion segments something that can be done live without any tricks.
 
Celticdog said:
I finally saw the show today at Noon. I like it.
I view the opening sequence as a “German Stomp” in formal lederhosen. I see the black lederhosen as nighttime attire similar to black tie and tails. In the next section, the violinist was excellent. Try to get to the show early and see her and the accordionist interact with the crowd. The violinist does a great Star Wars theme. But I digress and back to the show. The costume change brings in a different energy. Much lighter. Edelweiss was beautiful. The grist mill sequences are completely appropriate and really showcase the physical strengths as well as the choreography of the performers and the show’s creators. The wood shopping reminded me of Clocktober and it was fun to watch. It was good that the Chicken Dance did remain and there was a lot of audience involvement. I did feel that the “County Road” section was out of place and I would have really preferred a sequence similar to TIO’s Happy Wanderer. Overall I really enjoyed this show. I will watch it again.

Actually I don't mind "Country Roads", but I think "Happy Wanderer" would fit in the opening of the show rather than that pointless "German Stomp" sequence. If there's something that I'm thankful for with "OktoberZest" is that it is no where close to the blatantly offensive, horrendous, god-awful atrocity that was called "Wunderbarn"...

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I think it's about time I post this. I put the medleys in brackets.

Song list for OktoberZest

Violin
Im Himmel gibt's kein Bier

Prologue with "All The Folks in Germany"

Rhythm Segment

Classical medley on violin (Beethoven- Symphony No. 5 Op. 67, Pachelbel's Canon)

Transition (Beethoven- Symphony No. 9 Op. 125) (last notes are "Bless my homeland forever" from Edelweiß

Edelweiß

[Ein Prosit Der Gemütlichkeit,

In München Steht Ein Hofbräuhaus,

O Du Lieber Augustien]

Radetzky Marsch

Chicken Dance

Take Me Home, Country Roads

[Kreuz Polka,
Holzhacker Marsch]

All The Folks in Germany (Original Piece)




By the way, the soft refrain of Der Holzhacker Marsch during the slow motion part of the rhythm section played on my Oma's Cuckoo Clock. She bought it at Busch Gardens in 1975. I thought that was kind of cool.
 
It's quite interesting that only three songs within the entire song-list are not fully German: "Edelweiss" was written by Richard Rodgers and Oscar Hammerstein II for "The Sound of Music", "Take Me Home Country Roads" was written by John Denver, and I don't know who wrote "All The Folks in Germany" but that info might be somewhere.

Out of the three, I think that "Take Me Home Country Roads" fits in with the show the best, while the other two are very replaceable at most.
 
CastleOSullivan said:
I think it's about time I post this. I put the medleys in brackets.

Song list for OktoberZest

Violin
Im Himmel gibt's kein Bier

Prologue with "All The Folks in Germany"

Rhythm Segment

Classical medley on violin (Beethoven- Symphony No. 5 Op. 67, Pachelbel's Canon)

Transition (Beethoven- Symphony No. 9 Op. 125) (last notes are "Bless my homeland forever" from Edelweiß

Edelweiß

[Ein Prosit Der Gemütlichkeit,

In München Steht Ein Hofbräuhaus,

O Du Lieber Augustien]

Radetzky Marsch

Chicken Dance

Take Me Home, Country Roads

[Kreuz Polka,
Holzhacker Marsch]

All The Folks in Germany (Original Piece)




By the way, the soft refrain of Der Holzhacker Marsch during the slow motion part of the rhythm section played on my Oma's Cuckoo Clock. She bought it at Busch Gardens in 1975. I thought that was kind of cool.

Lord Robert said:
It's quite interesting that only three songs within the entire song-list are not fully German: "Edelweiss" was written by Richard Rodgers and Oscar Hammerstein II for "The Sound of Music", "Take Me Home Country Roads" was written by John Denver, and I don't know who wrote "All The Folks in Germany" but that info might be somewhere.

Out of the three, I think that "Take Me Home Country Roads" fits in with the show the best, while the other two are very replaceable at most.

I'm almost certain that Gary Lensenmayer wrote the original music. He is the only person I know of that's currently on their musical payroll.

Also, I don't mean to to belittle your opinion, but I have a hard time understanding how "Take Me Home Country Roads" fits in with a German-themed show in America better than the faux, yet more plausible German music. They probably just thought they could squeeze in a bit of a "Canadian Palladium" show segment in because of that country singer that played in Das Festhaus a while ago for a limited time. It's just a convenient coincidence that a song by "Henry John Deutschendorf Jr." (that was his real name, by the way) is sometimes played at Oktoberfest in Munich.

That inclusion is an example of the type of dry/subdued German humor that only works as a joke in Germany itself. Outside of that, here it's just an excuse to play an American Country song. I guarantee you that most people that the song is intended for don't pay enough attention to the show to hear the interesting backstory it. They only listen because they think its a break from the German music that didn't interest them at all.

Overall, with the way it's played off, I see it as more of a slap in the face to German culture than an homage. It completely goes over most peoples heads that it has become almost a part of German culture, just for laughs.
 
I think you're right about Gary Lensenmayer working on the music arrangements for this show since he has worked on "This is Oktoberfest!" back in the 80's-90's (I would like to know the people who did the sets and costumes). I don't think I agree about the "excuse to play an American Country song" thing, I think the crew might've looked at what modern Oktoberfest festivals in Germany does and try to re-create that by adding that very song into it (it is popular and well-loved by a good amount of German people for a good reason) among other things. Sure the show in the end turned out messy and flawed, but I would rather have messy and flawed by the new entertainment department who actually cares about what people think, than what Scott and his minions dished out on us for the past 7 years.
 
I think the inclusion of country roads is the result of a desire (along with kids in the chicken dance) to have some form of audience participation in the show much like what happens at Octoberfest celebrations in Germany/Bavaria. The problem is the most, if not nearly all, traditional songs are unfamiliar with park guests. I would venture that the staff looked at standard Octoberfest songs that a majority of park guests knew the words to and by process of elimination came up with country roads and possibly one other song. It's not that it is a traditional German song but in an effort to allow guest participation it is what we get. Personally, I have heard it played and sung in both Germany and Austria before. In China when asked where in the United States I'm from as soon as I say West Virginia they start singing country roads. It's popularity across the globe is amazing. The fact that John Denver is of German heritage pretty much seals the deal for its inclusion. Plus my kids love singing it too.
 
I'll say this only because it's a bit puzzling to me: the inclusion of Country Roads costs the park money. Whereas, I'd assume most old timey German songs are in the public domain. Therefore, the inclusion is most likely very deliberate. Why do they want to spend money on it? I couldn't tell you.
 
^Or did they?

Edit: Before anyone gets in a frenzy, I don't actually have any dirt on anyone for copyright. I'm just saying, UncleDuncan has an interesting point, and the park has been known in the past to completely go around paying their dues. Please let that be a thing of the past.
 
I have a hard time believing they would purposely not pay royalties. They blew how much money on London Rocks, getting the rights to all those songs? I seriously doubt they would risk getting their asses handed to them in court for not reaching out to the Denver estate and gaining permission.
 
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UncleDuncan said:
I'll say this only because it's a bit puzzling to me: the inclusion of Country Roads costs the park money. Whereas, I'd assume most old timey German songs are in the public domain. Therefore, the inclusion is most likely very deliberate. Why do they want to spend money on it? I couldn't tell you.

Same goes for Edelweiss which also is under copyright. It virtually has nothing to do with Germany other than it was written for an American broadway musical about an Austrian family and said country annexing their country. This one perplexes me more than country roads. However, neither are traditional or German.
 
VonDerrick said:
The most exciting scene is the wood chopping. Very reminiscent of the Monster Stomp Knife Scene.

Especially for SEAS legal! I wonder if they have a contingency set aside in the defense fund... If they did they write it off as a business expense or consider it a sunk cost as part of the financing of the show...
 
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Well, they've been doing the knife bit for MS for like ages now and the axe bit isn't much different, it's probably even more so safe since they don't do as much fancy tricks, I'd wager they already have thought it through so you don't have to worry yourself.
 
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