Mix It Up
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Party Rocker said:
Yeah, uh, no. Not how it works. Show props in no way equate to hamlet theming. Furthermore, on what planet do swords in an Italian show even begin to approach retheming a hamlet in a European themed theme park to America? Yes the swords are odd in the grand scheme of the show, but nothing close to 'Merica in Busch Gardens.
For what it's worth, they are actually not swords, but sabers, like used in competitive drum corps.
They don't even have blades on them people... It's a baton-ish type thing wrapped in white tape with a handle.
I think at the end of the day that the show is really just a bunch of band geeks doing band things. I'm not sure what, if anything, it has to do with San Marco. It certainly doesn't qualify as a justification for turning Italy into San Merica.
In fact, I would swear that I have read several people, including PR, claim that the shows have nothing to do with with the Hamlet theme.
In fact, I would swear that I have read several people, including PR, claim that the shows have nothing to do with with the Hamlet theme.
Maybe I misunderstood, but this comment seems to imply that inconsistencies in the show make retheming the host hamlet acceptable:
Party Rocker said:
The swords ruin the shows theme. The show is themed to chefs and waiters playing musical instruments. It would look much more better to see them using plain batons than swords. That would keep the shows theme.
Since everyone thinks it is okay to ignore the theme for a show, then it should be okay to ignore the theme of a hamlet. The swords have no impact on the hamlet at all. However, adding American decor in an Italian hamlet is the same type of theme mistake as pirate-looking swords in a chef instrumental type show. Because they are the same type of mistake, if one gets ignored, so should the other. They maybe on different degrees, that doesn't matter. What matters is, it is a mistake than people decided not to mention at all when praising the show.
Since everyone thinks it is okay to ignore the theme for a show, then it should be okay to ignore the theme of a hamlet. The swords have no impact on the hamlet at all. However, adding American decor in an Italian hamlet is the same type of theme mistake as pirate-looking swords in a chef instrumental type show. Because they are the same type of mistake, if one gets ignored, so should the other. They maybe on different degrees, that doesn't matter. What matters is, it is a mistake than people decided not to mention at all when praising the show.
What you are arguing is "Post hoc ergo propter hoc." (if one therefore the other)
This is a classic logical fallacy. One does not assume that because x = z then y = z. Just because there are similar themes in an argument does not make them comparable.
Taking the next logical leap, what is usually valid is "Cum hoc egro propter hoc."
A = B
A results in X
therefore it is safe to assume
B results in X
Logical fallacies never strengthen an argument, and repeating them does not make them right.
This is a classic logical fallacy. One does not assume that because x = z then y = z. Just because there are similar themes in an argument does not make them comparable.
Taking the next logical leap, what is usually valid is "Cum hoc egro propter hoc."
A = B
A results in X
therefore it is safe to assume
B results in X
Logical fallacies never strengthen an argument, and repeating them does not make them right.
Yes I've pointed out logical fallacies before and was then ridiculed by them immediately after. It seems regardless of who uses them, as long as you hate the person, you win.
I like the show this year but it has lost a lot of charm with the removal of so many comedic touches. The waiters with sabers bit is really silly. It made so much more sense when the waitstaff had big utensils in earlier incarnations of the show. Some of you mentioned that you didn't like the "cheesy" bits but to me that made it a little more of a "show" rather than a stage-bound marching band routine. Still fun though.
Party Rocker said:
Batons might not have been an option. they are difficult to use and as most of the performers are men, they might have never used them previously. Most men in a colorguard are rifle/saber/flag people.
Throwing in a prop that people haven't trained on, in close quarters like that stage is a recipe for someone taking a baton to the face.
Regardless, they should have trained and rehearsed the show prior to its debut, so they should of had plenty of time to get aquainted with them.
Funny story! It was supposed to open in march like it always has. For some odd reason Scott can't find musicians, go figure. He fired the long time instrumental supervisor because he thought he was in charge of the cast plotting against him last year. Talk about paranoia. Scott then contracts a guy out of DCI. All the musicians you see are his and not BG. But now Scott has to spend even more money buying new instruments and renting all of those horns at an expensive cost. One of the cheapest shows becomes expensive because Scott cannot bear the shame of last year's MIU. The ironic part is everyone in their right mind told Scott that the show should have been core style to begin with. So he fires everyone with good sense and then does it anyway. Weirdo.
Mix it up cast!
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MIU's last day is August 24th. I won't be able to make it, because I'm 90% sure I'm going to KD.