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RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

Party Rocker said:
Like I said, those broadway artists are not as expensive as some of the other things they have going on for London Rocks! In fact, those broadway artists are probably dirt cheap compared to everything else being spent for this show. Although, the things is while the General Public may not care about Broadway names, the industry cares. If you see a big name, you attract the better talent and therefore you can produce the better product. Though people in the industry know the reputation of businesses and from the general understanding is that Busch Gardens does not have a good reputation, Entertainment wise.

With the use of these Broadway artists, perhaps the goal is to eventually work to produce Broadway level shows. To get to that level, they may want to work with those kinds of artists. Consider it a long-term investment.

I think again, you are missing my point.

I bet the producers aren't as expensive as some of the things they have going on in that show. At the preview performance they did, they had projection mapping technology on display... Which is very hard and time consuming to produce... Not to mention the expense is astronomical. I would know, because I'm working on a show that uses it.

A broadway level show just won't work at a themepark. The longest you want a themepark show to be is about 45 minutes. The two shows I used for example (World of Color and Fantasmic!) are two super costly nighttime spectacular events that cost quite a bit of money and took a long time to produce, but sure enough have paid for themselves. People go out their way to see these shows... They run in right about 30 minutes, and they are two of the biggest theme park shows in the world. No one wants to sit through a 2 or 3 hour musical production at a themepark. That would kill a quarter of your day, the running expense would be far too high, and at best you could run it twice, maybe 3 times a day.

Anyways, Busch is a far way off from having a name for good shows.

But Guess what? They have HAD IT BEFORE! And guess what else? They've had it at a time where TiO still had it's rising stage, before all sorts of random broadway names were bought in to produce stuff a competent local production company could. Before spending an absolute inane amount of money on a lackluster projection mapping effect. Before KK... Even with Kinetix. Still Good name for shows, good name with how they treated their employees.

They've managed to tear down everything people loved about the park and their entertainment division, With the notable exception of Celtic Fyre... And are trying to build it, beyond the means of the company at this moment in time, whilst attempting to continue to whittle away at their past and the park history.

It wasn't broke before. It's broken now. I wonder why?


Investing into making the shows Broadway quality is dumb, to say the least. A theme park show should focus on one of two things, Creating great ORIGINAL CONTENT for the park that doesnt cost an arm and a leg... Not expensive Rip-offs of Love by Cirque du Soleil... Or creating enormous spectacular shows that can't be contained in your average theater (See Fantasmic! and WoC, Even though nowadays, you might be able to pull off a fantasmic in a theater).
Busch had it's trump card show... It's "Nighttime Spectacular". It was called Imaginique. People went out their way to see that show... It had plenty of shows all throughout the season during this time.


But, you know... W/e. Just preaching to the choir. Saying everything that's been said before.
 
RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

Youhow2 pid=93123 dateline=1393431315 said:
A broadway level show just won't work at a themepark. The longest you want a themepark show to be is about 45 minutes. The two shows I used for example (World of Color and Fantasmic!) are two super costly nighttime spectacular events that cost quite a bit of money and took a long time to produce, but sure enough have paid for themselves. People go out their way to see these shows... They run in right about 30 minutes, and they are two of the biggest theme park shows in the world. No one wants to sit through a 2 or 3 hour musical production at a themepark. That would kill a quarter of your day, the running expense would be far too high, and at best you could run it twice, maybe 3 times a day. 

Anyways, Busch is a far way off from having a name for good shows.

I guess I don't understand your mentality about this YouHow, how can you say that a Broadway level show won't work in a park and then give an example of Imaginique with the quote "People went out their way to see that show"....what is more Broadway then people wanting to pay to come see it?! Not to mention you kind of downgrade the top voted show in it's category Celtic Fyre, which IMO, could be lengthened and easily turned into a full Broadway show. 

I agree that ideal run times for these type shows is about 30 minutes, I'm not sure where the 2-3 hour musical part is coming from, is this some "inside information" about LR that you can't share with the rest of us?


Youhow2 pid=93123 dateline=1393431315 said:
Anyways, Busch is a far way off from having a name for good shows.

How are they supposed to change that reputation without trying to create new and better shows? 


Youhow2 pid=93123 dateline=1393431315 said:
Investing into making the shows Broadway quality is dumb, to say the least. A theme park show should focus on one of two things, Creating great ORIGINAL CONTENT for the park that doesnt cost an arm and a leg... Not expensive Rip-offs of Love by Cirque du Soleil... Or creating enormous spectacular shows that can't be contained in your average theater (See Fantasmic! and WoC, Even though nowadays, you might be able to pull off a fantasmic in a theater).
Busch had it's trump card show... It's "Nighttime Spectacular". It was called Imaginique. People went out their way to see that show... It had plenty of shows all throughout the season during this time. 

Very few things in this world are truly original, mostly things are made up of several well known elements put together in a slightly different way.  Celtic Fyre is a stage play with Irish dancing, it's a fantastic show, but it's not revolutionary. Imaginque and it's successor(Kinetix) were just Cirque du Soleil type shows, they had different performers, stunts and music, but all that stuff had been done for years from the Circus to Vegas. So the reality is, you just need a good show, no matter the theme or originality of it.  

I just want to point out that you and I had a 2 page debate a couple weeks ago about how mediocre isn't what BG is about and any business you own should only sell top quality.  Yet here, you say that we don't need Broadway quality, we just need good enough shows.
 
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RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

Okay. I'm not saying the park is trying to do a 2-3 hour length production. I'm just saying that's about the typical broadway show runtime and generally it takes that amount of time to build that kind of production.

Yes, mediocre is not what the park should be aiming for. Cirque du soleil is not a broadway show though... When I say "Broadway" I'm referring to Phantom of the Opera, Spiderman: Turn off The Dark, Kinky Boots, Cats, Thr Producers, Etc.

Your theme park audience isn't going to pay to spend half their day in a Broadway show.

I think celtic fyre is great. Don't get me wrong. I loved Irish Thunder and Emerald Beat as well.

I'm looking at the demographic who come to the park for the shows. You don't need to put on the best show in the world in order to get them to come out. You need "good enough" shows that will continue to pull them in. I think Celtic Fyre is in that category... But currently, It's the only one I feel that is in that category. There is a very small percentage of people in the world who think of going to themeparks specifically for the shows. The shows are almost an afterthought to the overall experience. What you are selling is the overall experience. The Top-quality experience is what Busch needs to be selling. Not overpriced, over-budget shows that put the rest of the park operations in a bind. Entwined flopped, and then someone signed off on the plans to have almost destroyed London and put " The Beatles: Love" Busch Gardens attempted Broadway addition inside the park that is currently hurting to be revitalized. I think a show for the Globe is the LAST thing that needs to be happening right now when there are so many other pressing issues... I'm not even saying that the show is gonna be a bad show... I just don't see why it's getting so much priority, or why they are spending so much money on it.
 
RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

I was just addressing some concerns you had. You stated that the Broadway names were probably over the top expensive and I was just clarifying the no they are not as expensive as you may think when it comes down to everything else going into the show. In fact, you mention one of the effects they were using, well that is not the only effect they are going to be using and they don't come cheap.

And I am not saying they should or should not use Broadway names, I was saying that they may believe that they can attract Broadway talent and Broadway artists by using some of the already established names to create a Broadway-like production.

There is no shame in trying to create Broadway-like productions. In fact, the park used to have a reputation for having amazing Broadway-style shows. People may not care about Broadway names for artists and performers. The thing is, when people hear Broadway, they assume it is of great quality and value.

The park has shown they can pull of amazing shows of that quality such as Imaginique was on that level (which was as I mentioned earlier produced by Neil Goldberg, a very popular name in Cirque.) 

The same concept applies now. You want a great cirque show, get a popular cirque artist to produce it. You want a great Broadway show, get a popular Broadway artist to produce it.

In the end, while this may be very expensive and it is, it is something that has worked for them in the past and they hope it can work for them now.

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So in your post just above mine, you think the park should not be trying to aim for top quality with their shows? Honestly, I disagree, you should put 200% into anything you produce that way when it comes out, it is actually a good product and since there are not major rides debuting this year, London Rocks! is the big new thing this year so it has to be mind-blowing awesome. Always aim for the gold.
 
RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

While I don't go to BG specifically for the shows, now that I'm out of my 20s shows are much more appealing for me. Even when I was in my 20s, Imaginique and Irish Thunder were my two favorite shows and I made a point to see those.
 
RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

Interesting read. In my opinion, a park that is supposed to showcase European countries would be expected to have shows that utilize outside sources. The park even used to have international employees working in the shops. While "outsourcing" was obviously a touchy subject in the last few years, there are instances where it should be considered. Places like Busch Gardens Europe (and Epcot) make the charm more authentic when they use companies that are familiar with that country's culture. Now if they want to hire Americans to perform in said shows, that would be wonderful as well. I think there could be a best of both worlds situation there.
 
RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

Imaginique pid=93152 dateline=1393447696 said:
Interesting read. In my opinion, a park that is supposed to showcase European countries would be expected to have shows that utilize outside sources. The park even used to have international employees working in the shops. While "outsourcing" was obviously a touchy subject in the last few years, there are instances where it should be considered. Places like Busch Gardens Europe (and Epcot) make the charm more authentic when they use companies that are familiar with that country's culture. Now if they want to hire Americans to perform in said shows, that would be wonderful as well. I think there could be a best of both worlds situation there.

I do REALLY miss the international employees working the shops and other areas. Real authentic shows with people from that country. I remember talking to employees back then, and when we had moved on whispering to my wife, "Wow...that guy was from Germany!" Or some other country (Italian in Italy, French in France, etc.). BGW (to me) is the ability to 'see' alot of Europe...without paying thousands of dollars to do it 'for real'. That is what it always was for me. It's what made me come back for more. And now that feeling is fading very quickly, since that element of the park is almost being 'whitewashed' by whoever is in control. Very sad.
 
RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

The park still has international students who work at the park. They come in waves. First then asian students from places like Thailand and the Philippines, and then during peak season and the fall you have the European students from places like Poland, Ukraine, Russia, and other places.
 
RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

So, London Rocks!  

From what I gather from the audition page, the puppets will be controlled by dancers.  This could be good.  The same type of stuff has been done by Illuminate, Fighting Gravity, and Lion King: The Musical.
 
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Just sayin, I saw The Lion King: The Musical on Broadway and I found it to be quite amazing and much more emotional and artistic. It really was a great show.

Anybody hear about if there is a story line like Celtic Fyre or not like Monster Stomp Revamped?
 
RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

They may also take the Across the Universe style of show.  Across the Universe was a musical movie featuring Beatles songs, amazing movie!
 
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I'm struggling trying to figure out what kind of puppets are relevant to British Invasion Music.

It's definitely not possible that it is actually a Sesame Street production, right? Like Elmo Rocks! except the music is all British Invasion music.
 
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