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RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

Cody pid=91526 dateline=1391522489 said:
Think about the kids man! :D  My kids would not sit through a Shakespearian style show.  They will sit through Beatles music because they played it on Rock Band!  I know what the park is doing.  The stuff that grabbed you when you were young, mostly, will not grab a kid in 2014.  The last 5 years or so at the park have been an attempt to lure in the younger crowd.  A kid see a neon green sign that says "Busch Gardens", that looks cool.  A kid sees a sign that says "Busch Gardens: the Old Country", they focus on the word "Old".  The young have very short attention spans and need to be wrangled in with "shiny" stuff.  My businesses main colors are lime green, orange and red because they pop and catch your attention.  People noticed the London Rocks! tree at CT.  They danced to the music as they passed.  It worked!  Here are some more examples:

Bitten = Twilight
Verbolten = fast cars, black lights
Entwined = Once Upon a Time, Snow White and the Huntsman, Hansel and Gretel, every other "hot" fairy tale show and movie out.
Blood Banquet = Vampire Diaries/True Blood/Equality movement in america
Fiends = sex sells

Young people just walk through Banbury to get to the shiny stuff!  I am not saying you have to like it, but it makes good business sense.  Since their marketing department can't get the job done, they have to get the kids already going to tell their friends, "Come to Busch Gardens.  They have new shiny stuff".  Right now Banbury is a Librarian in a brown and tan dress, they want to make it the hot chick in the red dress.  Again, not saying it is right or wrong, but that is the 21st century mentality.

I know this will probably piss many people off, but it isn't all for the bloody children.  And just because society prefers naked teens on demolition equipment to classical literature, doesn't mean everyone needs to pander to the lowest common denominator.

I think Shakespeare would be great in the Globe.  There are an infinite number of modern interpretations of his plays, which might be easier to sell to the masses, if that is what has everyone concerned.

That said, I don't think the park has demonstrated the taste level recently to pull off traditional Shakespeare, much less an edgy modern version.  He Who Must Not Be Named would probably come up with some super-cheesy dinner theater version with out of date pop references and poorly choreographed song and dance numbers.

On another note, I don't think my objections to the re-theme have been accurately captured, either.

I believe it simply makes no sense to represent "England" with architecture and decorative arts from a single historical period. The simple fact is that European cities are amalgamations of centuries of styles all cobbled together, building on each other.  So, I am a bit more flexible with specific historical eras.

What I am concerned about it the taste level I saw demonstrated at the unveiling of London Rocks.  I cannot fathom how anything reflective of that cheesy, adolescent, thrown-together mess could still be attractive.  At the end of the day, to me the most important thing is that the hamlets are pretty and the park as a whole remains beautiful.  Stereotyped, faux English British Invasion decorations, modeled after snow globes in Heathrow's tourist shop are not beautiful.
 
RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

Nic pid=91577 dateline=1391564686 said:
I know this will probably piss many people off, but it isn't all for the bloody children.  ...

Yeah, I think there is a place for kids to go when they don't like the adult stuff? I think it's called Sesame Street or LotD(or Planet Snoopy for Kings Dominion)? It may not be great for the adults and not have real trees, but you can blame the park about that. 

Of course kids don't like the shows adults watch. That's why they are given an entire hamlet/ area for them to play in. A show in the other parts of the park should not be catered to make an 8 year old happy. Because, you won't. Unless the kid in question matured really fast.
 
RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

When I was eight years old and younger, I didn't like to watch the kiddie shows. I only wanted to see the regular shows. It's great to have a show for the kids, but it is not good to have a show that the adults can't tolerate. With that being said, I honestly have no idea what I am going to think of the show. I think it will either be very good or very bad. I am looking forward to seeing how they are going to use the projection mapping technology, and the new raked stage. I think that if they don't rely on those gimmicks alone, we might have a solid show. My only worry is that they're going to use a "one trick pony" gimmick throughout the show.
 
RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

Cody, sugar, I didn't mean to call you out in particular.  I needed something to respond to, or my comments would seem a bit out of left field.  Sorry!

For what it is worth, I had season tickets to the opera when I was a kid.  I don't think we should over-generalize about the tastes of children or teenagers.  That said, we also shouldn’t pander to them.  There are several other shows in the park.  Not everything needs to be geared towards professionally bored tweens.
 
RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

The issue of "class" needs to be brought up. The park touts it's "World's most Beautiful Theme Park" award a lot to this day. They didn't earn that by doing whatever is popular.

I honestly think that Shakespeare is a bit much for BGW because most adults can't even handle him. However, the park should not resort to flashy colors to entertain people when they've never had to do so before. I think Celtic Fyre is a good example of what the park should do be doing, a show that is entertaining enough to appeal to all age groups, but doesn't rely on content that is put there just because everybody already knows it already.
 
RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

I tend to agree that a straight Shakespearian play probably wouldn't work in a theme park.  That is why I suggested a modern interpretation.  His plays were fairly racy and had elements that appealed to all sections of society, when they were written.  They can and have been translated into modern English with updated themes, to make them more approachable today.  The fact is that the plots still work in the 21st century.  It is just a question of packaging.
 
RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

I was only saying that it is the business mentality nowadays.  I, again, never said it was right.  They are not just pander to bored teens, but so much of our culture is ADD based.  Shiny attracts.  This forum is comprised of people who have gone to the park for years and have a "relationship" with the way things have been throughout their childhood and later.  The park has your money, as often as many of you say you are canceling your pass, you still go.  Now they want the money of people who aren't regulars.  The non-regulars(NR) enjoy hearing stuff they are familiar with.  KK is prime example of that.  The NR danced and enjoyed themselves because they knew the music.  NRs don't know Rocky Road to Dublin from Tell Me Ma.  They sit in Da Vinci's Garden and hear Porti Volare, and recognize it from Step Brothers, not Andrea Boccelli.  By bringing in stuff they recognize, these same people get to hear and see the stuff that we love, and it becomes new to them, and when they hear and see this stuff on the outside, they remember BGW.  I cannot speak for the park, but it may just be a part of a long term plan to attract people.  Many of these shiny changes seem rather temporary.  I am NOT saying I agree with any of it, nor am I saying I don't.  People get addicted to BGW (look around here).  They can give the NR what they want to see while giving them the old feeling.  Then slowly remove the shiny, but those people are already hooked.
 
RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

The problem is that the park has never had to rely on popular things to bring in people. While there are probably a few factors causing this, but attendance had been on the decline and the new stuff might not be causing the decline, changing the focus of the park to these new poppy shows certainly isn't bringing in people, which is mind boggeling why that's still a huge focus of the park now.

The park has been in business for 40 years, and they haven't had to rely on that schtick in the past. Businesses can certainly try new things, but this trend has been tried for a few years now and it's done nothing to bring in people. Scott's style has failed the park.
 
RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

Scott's style strikes me more as "local dinner theater" than "trendy pop culture."  Cheese and schlock aren't the same as Top 40 and pop culture.  I don't personally like either, but the latter at least has some credibility.

(I should apologize, BTW.  I have been sick and grumpy for a few days.  I am particulary irked at JK Rowling at the moment.)
 
RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

I agree with that to a point, and /sometime/ it can come off well. However, looking at Entwined, it's clear he has a flare for big broadway musicals over dinner theaters. Not to mention that it had plenty of pop culture music and jokes.

Speaking of Entwined, it should be pointed out that the guest reaction was large enough to warrant two revisions of the show as well as the show times being scaled back to include TiO. That kind of change doesn't just come from a few internet nerds, plenty of guests must have been upset about it.

Edit: Not responding to anything Nic said, bit just pointing out that it's not just us who are unhappy about the changes.
 
RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

Cody pid=91598 dateline=1391608736 said:
When I said kids, I meant 18 and under.

So what you are saying is people under 18 are only supposed to be amused by cheap, tacky, and corny items?  RIGHT.


Nic pid=91608 dateline=1391616361 said:
Scott's style strikes me more as "local dinner theater" than "trendy pop culture."  Cheese and schlock aren't the same as Top 40 and pop culture.  I don't personally like either, but the latter at least has some credibility.

(I should apologize, BTW.  I have been sick and grumpy for a few days.  I am particulary irked at JK Rowling at the moment.)

Of the worst pop culture in history.


Pretzel Kaiser pid=91610 dateline=1391616955 said:
I agree with that to a point, and /sometime/ it can come off well.  However, looking at Entwined, it's clear he has a flare for big broadway musicals over dinner theaters.  Not to mention that it had plenty of pop culture music and jokes.

Speaking of Entwined, it should be pointed out that the guest reaction was large enough to warrant two revisions of the show as well as the show times being scaled back to include TiO.  That kind of change doesn't just come from a few internet nerds, plenty of guests must have been upset about it.

Edit: Not responding to anything Nic said, bit just pointing out that it's not just us who are unhappy about the changes.

Yea he has a flare for big broadway type deals.  But in this case it is like comparing the Chinese ripoff of a BMW to an actual BMW.
 
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RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

For what it's worth most of the Junior fans on this site (16 or younger) aren't at all a fan of the crap that's being put out by the park. I grew up at a park that cared about quality, not one that served to the lowest common denominator. And that's the reason I love it today, if the park was what it is now, I probably would've never become a hyper-fan.

Also, if you were to ask any teenager/kid what the British Invasion was, they would probably respond by saying "When Britain invaded the colonies.?" 99.9% of kids/teens nowadays don't listen to British Invasion music at all. 

As much as you may think that teens don't like traditional things, you'd be surprised because, we just like to have fun. Entwined isn't fun to us, it's just a cheesy show that most of us would hate to sit through. On the other hand TIO is something most of us would enjoy, and like to experience.

We like interesting things that we enjoy watching, we don't want to see something we can see anytime on the TV. We want fresh, new and exciting, not something we listen to everyday on our iPhones. So, no, don't make accusations about what people "want" when you don't even know what they like. 

FYI, shows aren't going to draw any kind of kids to the park, they may stumble upon one while visiting the park and like it, but it's not going to drive them to make a visit to the park.

(This is all coming from a 14 year old)
 
RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

Matthew pid=91639 dateline=1391635055 said:
Also, if you were to ask any teenager/kid what the British Invasion was, they would probably respond by saying "When Britain invaded the colonies.?" 99.9% of kids/teens nowadays don't listen to British Invasion music at all. 
I am 19 and I listen to the Beatles, Rolling Stones, and the Who and other British Invasion era bands. Also I don't think that children today, younger than me that is, are that stupid about the British Invasion. The Revolutionary War and and the British Invasion are two totally different things. So I think that kids should be given more credit than we are currently giving them.
 
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Actually, no, I had no idea what the British invasion was until I heard about it here, my first guess was actually really the Revolutionary war when Zachary said it. And again I said 99.9% don't listen to British invasion music, you are one of those rare few, I've never listened to British Invasion music voluntarily un-less my parents played it.
 
RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

I am also one of the younger members of the forums(age 16) and love the "Adult shows" in the park. However, I personally am looking forward to this show, why? Because I LIKE that type of music. Now, do I want to see 60s themeing out of the globe? NO. I have zero problem with this show as long as its entertaining but the entire hamlet should not be sacrificed for this one show. 

So if the only way I can enjoy LR is at the expense of the hamlet, then I'd prefer Pirates 4D tbh.
 
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