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RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

So, the other guy is g-g-g-gone? I was pretty sure of that, but it really shows a shift in management. His ideas were greater than or equal to Gasparich's, when put on a tackiness scale.

What's left is to replace what was dropped in the technical department. I have never heard so many mic. issues. I noticed that the issues for one cast member in All For One were fixed after switching back to their old equipment. It was night and day.
 
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RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

I don't know specifics about Entertainment department personnel, nor much about the new choreographer, but I don't disagree with you in that regard. However, I would like to address the topic of Celtic Fyre. To my knowledge, Celtic Fyre was not completely outsourced like you seem to imply, in fact, I've heard from reliable sources that Phil and some others in the entertainment department at the time played a heavy hand in production. Yes, things were outsourced like choreography and music, but everything I've heard says the creative process was done in-house. The catch is, it wasn't touched by Scott (who was more focused on things like Illuminights), which is why it turned out the way it did.

Also, having talked directly with performers and dancers in the show, the new choreographer shouldn't have any hand in the choreography, especially that of the Irish dancing. That is said to be done by the dancers themselves, and I don't see any issues this year that you allude to. In fact, the opening was partially re-choreographed this year, and the American tap dancer section was almost completely re-choreographed, which I've enjoyed the changes they've made. Perhaps this choreography was outsourced? I don't know, but having experience in tap dancing myself, I'm not seeing any major issues in the American's choreography this year. I don't know a whole lot about river/Irish dancing, but I'm not seeing any major discrepancies there either.
 
RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

You are correct. I do not specifically know that she has anything to do with Celtic Fyre. She shouldn't. I hope she never does. There are no major issues this year that I am alluding to. The one move was introduced last year and it is the slapping hands on their bodies and stomping feet she puts in other shows (see this year's London Rocks). Not there before, that I recall, and not Irish. Possibly just coincidence. Everything else is spot on to what I'd expect from these talented tappers. I'm really glad to see some of the veterans back that may have been run off by Gasparich's reign. I was not including Celtic Fyre as a whole. I've never looked into who creatively designed the core of Celtic Fyre. But many good things about it, and other shows, are outsourced. That is not to take away from in-park talent as I get into below.

I don't know how much is ever completely outsourced. The park has input and final say in all things. It will be their show after all. The judgement of whom to bring in, their talent level, and the decision to keep using them lies with good management. Phil is much better at this than Gasparich, in my opinion. Sound, lighting, music, etc can be highly specialized and better handled by those specialists. I think Phil and whomever is attached did a great job on Celtic Fyre, and the idea behind the what show One For All could or may be one day. It is about leading, creativity, vision, and knowing your (and the park's) limitations. Then to go outside to find that better link to complete what is needed. Gasparich wouldn't do that. I think Phil does…and he is a nice guy. Having Lensenmayer back for the music and whomever he had design the stage (from photos I've seen) shows smart and creative decision making. I'd be curious to know who did the blocking and stunts for this show since those seem to be the weak spots.

The Celtic Fyre cast has fantastic talent and they are doing an excellent job. I wouldn't want anyone else having say or making changes, like Gasparich tried to do (cue dogs, for one). Monster Stomp Revamped was choreographed internally, again excellent. Unearthed, outsourced and, eh. Corn Stalkers was internal and a surprise hit. Oak Island has been hit or miss on the HOS front, too. There is good and bad in all. Key is to recognize the good talent and weed out the stuff that doesn't work or is just flat out bad. I am hard pressed to see little accomplishment in what Gasparich, and his entourage, brought in creatively. Add to that he removed much of the live music from the park eliminating the Starlight Orchestra, Boogie Band, and a full Oompah Band for garbage like Entwined v1, London Rocks, Killarney Kommotion, Wunderbarn, and the such. When you can roam the park shows and tell who was NOT involved, that is bad.

As I said before, outside sources that are better equipped for certain jobs can be a good thing. Sets, sound, lighting, etc can be expensive and involved. They do have a park to run too, not just shows. Selecting the RIGHT job to outsource to the RIGHT talent can augment what the park has created. It can also be detrimental. O'Foglu is an outsource and is excellent at Irish music. Billington is an outsource and designs excellent lighting for every show thus far. Landmark Entertainment Group are an outsource and COS was popular for many years. Zachary and Weiner are an outsource and are doing well. Irish Thunder was mostly the O'Shea School and the most popular show of the time. This new choreographer may be, or started as, outsourced. It isn't always good. But knowing what you can do in-park and when it can be done better from outside makes good management.

This is just my opinion. If I get something wrong, I certainly welcome correction. I am definitely all about credit were credit is due. If the current choreographer gives me Night Beats v1 quality ballroom dancing instead of Killarney Kommotion, I will commend it. I was not, nor will I, discredit the Celtic Fyre crew. I was simply giving Jesy what I saw as the reasons for the simple choreography being purposeful or rehearsal related and the rational reason for it. It just turned out longer than I meant since it hit a touchy spot on all things "Old County" that I defend as extremely meaningful to me. Of which the quality of shows are second in line only to the modernization of hamlet theming and music. Don't get me started on BGW going from world-class coasters to smaller and more insignificant rides by the year.

Oh great. Ranting again and way off topic. Sorry…back to the shadows for me.
 
RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

I... I just... What did I just watch?!?! I agree with everyone when I say that this is by far the worst version of the show, I thought the second version from last year was okay, but here it is such a disastrous mess that I hope the new entertainment VP Pete Dunklee gets rid of it in exchange for a new and better show that's made on a simple and tasteful scale.
 
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I actually would like London Rocks if it got rid of the "story" element all together. I'm sure that is what everyone would agree with.
 
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VAman93 said:
I... I just... What did I just watch?!?! I agree with everyone when I say that this is by far the worst version of the show, I thought the second version from last year was okay, but here it is such a disastrous mess that I hope the new entertainment VP Pete Dunklee gets rid of it in exchange for a new and better show that's made on a simple and tasteful scale.

Here here. And something that doesn't require neon flowers and 60s music in one of the most quintessential hamlets.
 
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I do wish that London Rocks was a show that was fun for the sake of fun and not insert a poorly made story which is really distracting and does more harm than good for the show.

In fact I wouldn't even mind if we had a show like this but on a smaller scale and updated.

 
RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)



Wait a minute..Did they just give London Rocks 2016....

MERCIFUL REVIEWS?!?!

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RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

Yes. That, and Roll Out The Barrel (although they weren't all able to see it on that day). I agree with several points made in the video, but that made me cringe just a little.
 
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CastleOSullivan said:
Yes. That, and Roll Out The Barrel (although they weren't all able to see it on that day). I agree with several points made in the video, but that made me cringe just a little.

I do agree with their very positive reviews for All For One, that made me really happy. But giving mercy to London Rocks (especially this years version) made me scream. I do agree with Reece calling Clint crazy for calling Roll Out The Barrel the best show in the park, it doesn't even come close.

BTW: speaking of All For One, did you record the full show last weekend by any chance?
 
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VAman93 said:
BTW: speaking of All For One, did you record the full show last weekend by any chance?

Yes. I even thought it was the most solid performance that I have seen so far. Unfortunately, I recorded it with my GoPro chest harness which lowers the height of my camera almost two feet. Therefore, you really only see peoples heads. Also, I think it timed out at the 11:49 mark. I would have needed to press record again. Anyway, this should probably go in the All For One thread. I will keep trying. At least I had enough sense to record the amazing new fireworks!
 
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CastleOSullivan said:
VAman93 said:
BTW: speaking of All For One, did you record the full show last weekend by any chance?

Yes. I even thought it was the most solid performance that I have seen so far. Unfortunately, I recorded it with my GoPro chest harness which lowers the height of my camera almost two feet. Therefore, you really only see peoples heads. Also, I think it timed out at the 11:49 mark. I would have needed to press record again. Anyway, this should probably go in the All For One thread. I will keep trying. At least I had enough sense to record the amazing new fireworks!

Thanks for doing it. :)

Oh, in the video there is a little bit of footage for London Rocks and to those who wonder why people here, myself included, found the costumes during the finale really awful; there is the evidence. I do want to know who was responsible for the changes this year. I am so befuddled as to how someone could make a mediocre show descend into some really god-awful levels!
 
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mtpelepele said:
Know what's wrong with putting a simple, musical revue with no story to screw it up in a theme park?  Not a damn thing.

Then they could rename it British Jukebox and just make it a chronological history of the British invasion music like the way American Jukebox was. At least then it would be a tolerable, or even good show.
 
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VAman93 said:
I actually would like London Rocks if it got rid of the "story" element all together. I'm sure that is what everyone would agree with.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're wrong. Some of us love shows with storylines, and find many 70s-style revue shows to be simplistic and boring. My husband and I have had annual passes for several years now because of BGW's shows, food, animals, ambience and wonderful events. I know a lot of guests go for the coasters, but for us, the shows are the thing, and we really don't want them to be dumbed-down to the lowest common denominator.
 
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Flyer said:
VAman93 said:
I actually would like London Rocks if it got rid of the "story" element all together. I'm sure that is what everyone would agree with.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're wrong.  Some of us love shows with storylines, and find many 70s-style revue shows to be simplistic and boring.  My husband and I have had annual passes for several years now because of BGW's shows, food, animals, ambience and wonderful events.  I know a lot of guests go for the coasters, but for us, the shows are the thing, and we really don't want them to be dumbed-down to the lowest common denominator.

If you saw the new 2016 version of this show, I think that you're not going to like what they did to it to the point where you would WISH this show didn't have a storyline. I personally don't think there's anything wrong with doing a "simplistic 70's show", it could give the park some difference with their major season shows (not including the animal shows). But if it's the kind of show you want, then more power to you; but for me and others on this forum, London Rocks needs to remove the story element if it could be a decent show.
 
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What I miss the most this year is the wedding scene. That alone made me happy enough to see it again. I don't even care to praise them for bringing back the song this year, because all you hear is muttering throughout. It just kills the vibe for me.

If the message was just meant to be "All you need is love." I think the second year portrayed that more clearly than the others, but they shouldn't literally have to say that was the message of the show.

I don't know if anyone has noticed, but after the first year they cut out the portion of "We Can Work It Out" that says "Life is very short and there's no time for fussing and fighting." You can see that they were trying very hard to remove any negative vibes. They even went as far as to play "Bohemian Rhapsody" during the second year, but it was instrumental due to the negative vibes.

Suddenly, this year they forgot about that. The tone gets so dull that Lucy runs off of the stage, depressed and overwhelmed. The result is dead silence.



At the end of the show, the directors must have realized that they created a bad situation that they can't get out of in the five minutes remaining. As a result, they just add random/collective happiness and repeat a song that was already overdone to begin with. I seriously believe the directors have finally thrown the towel in on this show.
 
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At this point, I pray that Pete Dunklee finds a proper replacement. London Rocks has had three strikes, it's struck out and quite frankly guys...

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RE: London Rocks! (2014 to Present)

VAman93 said:
Flyer said:
VAman93 said:
I actually would like London Rocks if it got rid of the "story" element all together. I'm sure that is what everyone would agree with.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you're wrong.  Some of us love shows with storylines, and find many 70s-style revue shows to be simplistic and boring.  My husband and I have had annual passes for several years now because of BGW's shows, food, animals, ambience and wonderful events.  I know a lot of guests go for the coasters, but for us, the shows are the thing, and we really don't want them to be dumbed-down to the lowest common denominator.

If you saw the new 2016 version of this show, I think that you're not going to like what they did to it to the point where you would WISH this show didn't have a storyline. I personally don't think there's anything wrong with doing a "simplistic 70's show", it could give the park some difference with their major season shows (not including the animal shows). But if it's the kind of show you want, then more power to you; but for me and others on this forum, London Rocks needs to remove the story element if it could be a decent show.

I HAVE seen the 2016 version of London Rocks (aka Version 3.0) and find it to be a great improvement over Version 2.0, though that's not saying much.  Version 3.0 is still nowhere near as good as Version 1.0 was, but having sat through various 4-D movies in the Globe, I'll take it.  I'm just sorry that more park guests didn't "get" Version 1.0's pretty straightforward story (boy meets girl, they get married, have kids, drift apart, then rediscover their love).

Not all shows have to have storylines.  We don't care for "Mix It Up" (or as my husband and I like to call it, "the Busch Gardens Half-Time High School Band Show"), but "Night Beats" and "Deck the Halls" are revue shows that are very well done.  At any rate, I've been reading these forums for several years now and I'm well-aware that my husband and I are in the minority among BGW Fans with regards to opinions on the various shows.  I thought I should speak up only because it really bothers me to see all-inclusive statements in the vein of "I'm sure everyone would agree that the storylines need to go" or "everyone hates this show."  If I kept quiet, I was afraid forum readers might think statements like that were true.
 
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I was actually just about to jump in and say that I think people should avoid presenting their opinions as either representative of a universal opinion or as facts.

That said, I'd be surprised if anyone actually takes the unilateral assertions that pepper this Forum as anything more than the unsubstantiated opions of the individuals who post them. At least, I hope no one does.
 
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