I'm glad to hear I wasn't the only one wondering this.
Howl-O-Scream 2018
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Does anybody know what music is played through the que of demented dimensions? Was it written specifically for that maze ?
On the alcohol discussion, it really doesn't help when the park publishes stuff like this either:
If someone needs to drink to get through a night at one of the least scary Halloween attractions in the region, they shouldn't be at Howl-O-Scream.
If someone needs to drink to get through a night at one of the least scary Halloween attractions in the region, they shouldn't be at Howl-O-Scream.
If people only knew how goofy they look sucking on a syringe walking around the park no one would buy them.
I know they have to pay fees on it, but they really do get a ton of money on alcohol, to the point that it's worth dealing with from a corporate standpoint im sure. The thing is of course, if they let it get out of hand, people will stop giong due to the garbage atmosphere.
I have given some thought to this. Maybe the park should go to a system of wristbands for alachol sales. A lot of places use a system like this you check in and have your Id verified usually by a member of law enforcement or security and are given a wristband that both verifies your of legal age and has punch tabs that must be punched or otherwise marked for each sale allowing the venue to set as sale limit and track the number of sales that they have made to each customer. Obviously this is not full proof but it does work nicely to reduce issues.
That does not stop the airline bottles that are flowing into the park nightly. We watched a couple guys openly mixing their drinks on a trash can by the Cornered entrance while a guard stood there a couple weeks ago. The smell of weed is also becoming more regular. Thing is a wristband system only hurts the ones that follow the rules, those that currently act up will find ways around it.
Universal had a massive backlash last year when they scaled back the mixed drinks. They still don't have as many pop up bars as they used to, but they brought back some of the stands in response. I'd assume there would be a similar effect here. Alcohol makes up a good sized chunk of change for the parks during haunt season. I could see BGW scaling back on booze but don't expect everyone else to be on board.
All the park cares is a) people are coming to the park and b) they make money off of them drunks
Busch gardens exists because of alcohol. The bars aren't going anywhere.
Why are people arguing from the extremes? Creating and knocking down a strawman is a cheap and easy debate tactic that adds nothing of use to the discussion.
I specifically said that having the bars is fine. There is a huge grey area between selling booze and encouraging drunkenness. The park can offer specialty drinks without contributing to the level of intoxication that we see every year resulting in an unsafe work environment for their staff.
Perhaps curbing the alcohol sales would deter some guests, but I imagine that the threat of assault is already exacerbating their systemic staffing shortfalls.
Furthermore, they are required to follow ABC and OSHA guidelines.
From the Virginia ABC Responsibility Guide for Licences:
From OSHA:
There are currently no specific OSHA standards for workplace violence.
However, under the General Duty Clause, Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970, employers are required to provide their employees with a place of employment that is “free from recognized hazards that are causing or are likely to cause death or serious physical harm." The courts have interpreted OSHA's general duty clause to mean that an employer has a legal obligation to provide a workplace free of conditions or activities that either the employer or industry recognizes as hazardous and that cause, or are likely to cause, death or serious physical harm to employees when there is a feasible method to abate the hazard. OSHA has developed Enforcement Procedures and Scheduling for Occupational Exposure to Workplace Violence, which provides guidance and procedures to be followed when conducting inspections and issuing citations related to the occupational exposure to workplace violence.
An employee that has experienced acts of workplace violence, or becomes aware of threats, intimidation, or other indicators showing that the potential for violence in the workplace exists, would be on notice of the risk of workplace violence and should implement a workplace violence prevention program combined with engineering controls, administrative controls, and training.
I specifically said that having the bars is fine. There is a huge grey area between selling booze and encouraging drunkenness. The park can offer specialty drinks without contributing to the level of intoxication that we see every year resulting in an unsafe work environment for their staff.
Perhaps curbing the alcohol sales would deter some guests, but I imagine that the threat of assault is already exacerbating their systemic staffing shortfalls.
Furthermore, they are required to follow ABC and OSHA guidelines.
From the Virginia ABC Responsibility Guide for Licences:
From OSHA:
There are currently no specific OSHA standards for workplace violence.
However, under the General Duty Clause, Section 5(a)(1) of the Occupational Safety and Health Act of 1970, employers are required to provide their employees with a place of employment that is “free from recognized hazards that are causing or are likely to cause death or serious physical harm." The courts have interpreted OSHA's general duty clause to mean that an employer has a legal obligation to provide a workplace free of conditions or activities that either the employer or industry recognizes as hazardous and that cause, or are likely to cause, death or serious physical harm to employees when there is a feasible method to abate the hazard. OSHA has developed Enforcement Procedures and Scheduling for Occupational Exposure to Workplace Violence, which provides guidance and procedures to be followed when conducting inspections and issuing citations related to the occupational exposure to workplace violence.
An employee that has experienced acts of workplace violence, or becomes aware of threats, intimidation, or other indicators showing that the potential for violence in the workplace exists, would be on notice of the risk of workplace violence and should implement a workplace violence prevention program combined with engineering controls, administrative controls, and training.
It's not just the drunks that are the problem. It's the stone cold sober people that decide that it's perfectly fine to sucker punch an actor... because they think it's funny.
Sunday morning and was told a tale of a patron that kicked a maze actor in the head, then stomped on her neck as she lay gasping for air. (If there was an arrest made, my friend didn't know)
I think the worst thing is that the actors are getting numb to the abuse.... But I don't think there's as much security or maze supervision as there should be.
It may not do much, but it'd at least make me feel like BGW gives a shit.
They need to make a very obvious statement that hitting or innappropriately touching an actor can result in serious criminal charges, because I think people lose sight of the fact that assault is assault, regardless of if the victim wears a mask.
They need to make a very obvious statement that hitting or innappropriately touching an actor can result in serious criminal charges, because I think people lose sight of the fact that assault is assault, regardless of if the victim wears a mask.
I'm not trying diminish the issue of people being drunk and acting stupidly. It seems like an awful expensive way to get drunk. Drink prices are not exactly affordable. $10 for a beer and significantly more for cocktails. If the assaults continue, I can see BG either raising prices or switching from 20 oz cups to 16 oz cups. Some beers are now only offered in 10 oz cups.
This is exactly why, when and if I get tipsy at the park, I keep it to myself. But the facts are what they are: Drunk people are drunk. Assault is assault. The park needs money and alcohol sales bring in that money.
Personally, even though I *love* a good drink when I go to the park, I'd lean more towards reducing sales if it helps the assault issue. I understand it's fun and brings in needed money but whatever happened to "safety first"? Zachary said it a few posts back too; alcohol is simply less important than people's physical safety. Imagine if that scare actor was your child or someone you loved? How can you shrug off that person getting hurt, sometimes nightly, because drinking is fun and people are spending money.
Personally, even though I *love* a good drink when I go to the park, I'd lean more towards reducing sales if it helps the assault issue. I understand it's fun and brings in needed money but whatever happened to "safety first"? Zachary said it a few posts back too; alcohol is simply less important than people's physical safety. Imagine if that scare actor was your child or someone you loved? How can you shrug off that person getting hurt, sometimes nightly, because drinking is fun and people are spending money.
It’s really too bad that people need to get wasted to have a good time. I was in line in the Brewhaus (name?) and the guy in front of me told his friend he didn’t care what he got as long as it had the highest alcohol content. And then he tried to buy two beers and was annoyed he could only get one at a time.?