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So I do have some insight to these decisions:
All of the WWoHP at Universal is treated as "Universe expanding" opportunities. Part of JK's agreement was (1) she gets say in everything she wants, and (2) it wasn't simply a retelling. Originally Disney pushed to have WWoHP, but they didn't want to give her much say, and they wanted to model the ride after existing stories. JK did not want that with her property. She wanted it to be a chance for new experiences and a way to put you into the world.
 
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Whether I would prefer that aside (I wouldn't -- I want to feel as if I am inside the books), that isn't in my opinion what they have achieved. There isn't any coherent story to any of them, and much of what you experience makes very little sense.

The impression I get is that they thought, "Belatrix is a cool villain. Let's include her. And have her use a well-known curse on the guests. Ignore the fact that it is completely ineffective, despite her being a brilliant and brutal witch. And then we will go to the next room, where something completely unrelated happens."

I hope to get back before they close Poseidon's Fury, I've always adored it.

Lord Darkenon approves, and awaits your return. You do, of course, acknowlege his dominion?
 
I feel like they're aiming for middle ground between super fans of the series and casual fans as well as those in my division: I don't give a shit about HP so everything is going right over my head anyways. When you got something as popular as HP, you're gonna upset one side of or the other.

Do a story where you just kinda see the characters they know and throw you into something with enough of a story to guide you through is pretty much all you really need. For me it's like a haunt maze, you go from room to room having enough of a narrative to follow along with what you're seeing, but it's left loose enough where you can fill in the blanks. I feel like the HP rides thus far follow that sort of formula. And as somebody who only the very bare minimum down (I can name the houses and like... a handful of characters.) That's all I need. If they did a story exclusively following a specific moment from the books or movies then you're throwing out the people who haven't seen the movies or read the books, or have and barely remember them, you're then shoving a group of people into something that they need even more context for, and as a theme park they really can't do that.
 
If in-depth stories were impossible for people without experience with the IP to understand, any park-exclusive IP attractions would be impossible.

The Potter IP gave them some pretty obvious, archetypal characters (a trio of relatively attractive, white, young-adult, good-guys fighting a mean, ugly, bad guy), some prewritten stories to tell about them, and an elaborate world to drop it all into. All Uni and Rowling needed to do was abbreviate and simplify existing material to be presented in a few preshows and a screen-based ride.

Instead, they resorted to the laziest, smallest-minded approch possible which really just boils down to throwing every character in the universe on the screen. It's just blatantly obvious fan-service through and through.

If BGW could build a believable setting and tell a compelling story with one preshow and a series of screens with DarKastle (which they did), a park like Universal has no excuse at all.

PS: Forbidden Journey is my favorite darkride ever so all of this criticism comes from a place of great admiration.
 
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It's not impossible for them to do, I said they can't. But I prolly should have said won't.

Honestly, I've only been on the HP rides like twice. (Well once for forbidden journey, and I wanted to die after I was done I felt so awful.) And the problem with it's all of those times I've been on it, either preshow started early bc people weren't moving into the room properly, or everyone was talking so loud nobody could hear what was being said.

I'm very aware I'm not their target with these rides. I do not like HP, it bores me. So no matter what they do it's likely to fly clean over my head regardless of preshow. I'm here for an entertaining ride. So a very minimal effort in story works because there are other elements to enjoy.

If you throw darkastle out there as an example, I'll raise you this. We all on this forum know what's the story is, but towards the end of it's life they weren't stopping people through the preshow. So all of those first time riders (however few there might have been) completely missed out on any story. Not to mention as somebody who frequented the ride, everything made sense to me up until the cavern part. Y'all know the one, you're moving from screen to screen watching Ludwig do his thing and then suddenly it's a set with ZERO CONTEXT AS TO HOW YOU GOT THERE. and then you're outside and escaped. For years, that bit not only confused the hell out of me but many other people. Some people didn't know what it was, I just didn't know how it fit. (I know how it fits /now/ as I've seen the whole video footage. And a part of it is missed on the ride because of the ride turning.) But for many years I didn't. And it /always/ threw me off.

So again, I compare it to a haunted house. You can read the map for context, or you can walk right in and go "surprise me". In the case of the rides though it's luck of the draw whether you have people not paying attention to move all the way in, or if they won't shut up so you can hear the preshow.

Either way I don't think too many people complain about the story on the ride besides those super fans on various forums, or if you ride it enough times to fully grasp what you're looking at. Because honestly I think how many times you view something also plays into effect as to it. You start noticing the plot holes. If you're a super fan of the books/movies, like Nicole is you're bound to notice the story doesn't seem right because you know the original source material very well. Meanwhile I know next to nothing about it, and I don't find anything wrong with what I'm seeing.
 
Either way I don't think too many people complain about the story on the ride besides those super fans on various forums, or if you ride it enough times to fully grasp what you're looking at. Because honestly I think how many times you view something also plays into effect as to it. You start noticing the plot holes. If you're a super fan of the books/movies, like Nicole is you're bound to notice the story doesn't seem right because you know the original source material very well. Meanwhile I know next to nothing about it, and I don't find anything wrong with what I'm seeing.

I agree with all of this and I accept that for 75% of the people riding the stories of the two main Potter darkrides seem just fine.

That said, I don't understand why Universal and Rowling didn't at least try to cater to the remaining 25% as well. There are plenty of examples out there of attractions serving both casual IP novices and hardcore IP fans very well. Just in Universal, you have Spider-Man, Simpsons, and others which I believe pull this off FAR better than Forbidden Journey or Gringotts. It's incredible to me that Universal Creative put so much time, money, and effort into these areas and somehow forgot all about the actual storytelling aspect of the flagship attractions.

PS: Flight of Passage is such an incredible example of IP serving both markets exquisitely. I actively hate the Avatar franchise but the attraction is so good and the storytelling so immersive that that I love Flight of Passage. On the flip side, for some reason, @Thomas actively loves Avatar and its larger universe. Visiting Flight of Passage with him is just a never ending string of him geeking out over a million tiny details that are consistent with and even expand upon the universe he enjoys so much. It's an attraction (and themed land) that is totally approachable to someone like me thanks to the straightforward, well-executed storytelling but also stands up to a remarkable amount of fan scrutiny.
 
Flight of pasage and the entire Valley of Moara section was filled with amazing details that appeal to the ten of us who love the Avatar universe but end up adding depth to casuals due to the sheer overwhelming amount of care and attention that obviously went in to it. It's easy to be impressed by it even if you don't know every species of plant.
 
Would I prefer that they use existing plot lines? Of course. But even if you accept the notion that it makes more sense to create new stories within the Potter universe, they completely failed.

There is almost no narrative (except in the absolute loosest sense) on any of the rides.

Here are some random scenes that one may or may not see or experience on the Hogwarts Express, strung together in no apparent order. We don’t think you are clever enough to notice, because the ride vehicle is so cool!

You get to encounter every character we can think of at Gringotts. Why are they all there and interacting with you (completely out of character)? Who knows! But we don’t expect you to care, because you either love HP too much to object, or have no idea who any of them are anyway!

For me it adds insult to injury when the events taking place on the ride are essentially impossible. It is the middle of a magical civil war. Death Eaters who hate Muggles are in charge. But we are somehow able to enter a Wizard Bank in the middle of a wizard shopping district, and are offered a tour of the bank by someone known to be part of the resistance. (It all falls apart for me, when we encounter Harry and Herminone rescuing the dragon, which pinpoints the exact date.)

How could Rowling approve scenes that are simply impossible within the universe she created? It honestly boggles the mind.

For me, if they had bothered to create a coherent stories, the rides would make more sense. Bonus points for the plots actually fitting in the well-developed and incredibly well-known universe that the area was intended to recreate.
 
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It's also worth noting that Pandora at DAK actually expands on the future of the film franchise. It acknowledges the events of first film as the past and even introduces new locations and animals. Also, the future human involvement on the planet is given motives and characters.
 
Just in Universal, you have Spider-Man, Simpsons, and others which I believe pull this off FAR better than Forbidden Journey or Gringotts.
I feel like this more of a case by case basis. Sure Spiderman works for the basic fans and the super fans, but also consider that Spiderman is well known and has MANY interpretations including comics, rebooted comics, spin offs, tv shows, and movies, and movies that are spun off of it, not to mention the many, MANY references to it in other media. It's like a basic standard to know at least how Peter Parker got his powers, his basic job and maybe one of his main villains. There is a preshow queue room for Spiderman, and unless you're really good at listening or can pay attention to the slightly discolored screen long enough for subtitles you may be able to get the jist of what's actually happening. I can name maybe two villains on the ride, idk who the others are and I don't care to know either. But, other people do know those characters and are excited to see them represented. it boils down to a "Spiderman is the hero, and I want him to win" which is the only feeling you need to get out of a person for the ride to work. Do we know why they're trying to dismantle the statue of liberty? Prolly, if we could pay attention enough to know. I'm sure it's explained, but I certainly couldn't tell you.

Simpsons works similarly with that it's had a long running TV show. But to the Simpsons credit they have small private preshow rooms that explain to you what is happening and what you're about to experience, as I'm sure the Simpsons aren't nearly as popular in other countries as it is here,and even then the popularity of the Simpsons has been dwindling for years. I couldn't tell you what Sideshow Bob's motivation to kill the Simpsons. (Something about him losing his job? Idk. Don't care enough to know either) Im not sure how super fans of the series would react to the ride, it could be great could be terrible I haven't seen it either way. Same with Spiderman (in Spiderman's case though it's more likely been too long to see those complains since it's an opening day attraction) not to mention the fact that I'm pretty sure Simpsons, much like Spiderman will rewrite it's own canon to either fix something vastly out dated or just for funsies.

Versus Harry Potter, which has a much larger and much louder fan base. With a much more "strict*" guideline as to how the story and the world works. I don't honestly think most fans notice the issues as they just stood in a stupidly long line for a ride, and are likely only going to ride it once before moving on, as things happen VERY QUICKLY on the rides, that it would require multiple rerides before you'd notice the problems.

Here are some random scenes that one may or may not see or experience on the Hogwarts Express, strung together in no apparent order. We don’t think you are clever enough to notice, because the ride vehicle is so cool!

You get to encounter every character we can think of at Gringotts. Why are they all there and interacting with you (completely out of character)? Who knows! But we don’t expect you to care, because you either love HP too much to object, or have no idea who any of them are anyway!
That is exactly what they're counting on. And it's worked. Most people don't object to the story. They just want to see their favorites on the rides.

How could Rowling approve scenes that are simply impossible within the universe she created? It honestly boggles the mind.
* Have you seen the stuff she's come up with or approved of recently? Like I understand you're a fan, but also it's not impossible to see where she'll instantly contradict herself or have something that's beyond stupid written. I've been told that they compared the possibility of murdering witches and wizard to the fucking Holocaust. Like you just don't do that. You wanna compared it to something do the Salem witch trials, not the Holocaust.
 
It's clear that Rowling has no qualms completely contradicting years of Potter cannon without a second thought. So yeah, I agree that a ride based on a series that has taken absurd liberties with its own world has a right to do the same.

That said, my core issue isn't really with the "this story is legit impossible in the Potter world" side of things, it's just that the "stories" presented on these rides are, at best, lazy and, at worst, completely incoherent. Again, somehow Space Pocahontas gave us immaculate storytelling with Flight of Passage yet Universal and Rowling displays a repeated inability to convey even a slightly compelling story on their Potter attractions.

I'm a realist and understand that Universal isn't actually going to put any work in that they don't need to. Potter fans and casual guests will flock to anything with the Potter no matter how awful the experience actually is. That said, I think it's certainly reasonable to disapprove of the laziness on display.
 
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I'm facinated to see how these trains and restraints work out... Having two different seating positions side by side is such a bizarre concept.
 
Huh, it actually looks like 2 different seating positions! Interesting! If I had to guess, I'd say that they're going to have the queue split off to support a two-sided loading platform. It seems like enthusiasts kids fighting over the motorcycle vs sidecar seating in a traditional loading setup has the potential to cause major problems, so why not let people choose early rather than at loading?
 
Gave it a glance. The restraints are nearly identical to those on Wave Breaker.

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Gave it a glance. The restraints are nearly identical to those on Wave Breaker.

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I see water dummies in two different positions in the test video, though? One is normal, one is like 45 degrees as far as I can tell.
 
There's only one dummy seated on the row in the video, though. It's sitting in the biker seat. The side car seat is occupied by a giant box that is strapped down to the train.

There's no way in hell a park these days would build a ride with two different restraint systems for the same ride. Not with the litany of ADA differences required and confusion of which seat is which.
 
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