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I just want to add something in regards to the report button. It is highly underused. Even if you question whether or not it should be reported, then just report it. Just add a comment saying something like "I'm not too sure about this post whether it's too off topic or not." Then we get a notification and we are sure to give our review on it. Don't just write one word as to why it should be removed, you can type as much as you to want to say why it should be removed. But if you feel like that post doesn't contribute to the discussion, then report it and say exactly that "I feel like this post doesn't contribute to the discussion taking place".

There are a lot of times where y'all are posting a lot more than I (we) can read at one time (which is great, not saying it's a bad thing), so sometimes us moderators cannot really judge each individual post. We might skim over the post real fast and not see any issue. Reporting a post will give us a direct place to check out.

TL;DR: Use the report button.
 
Pretzel Kaiser said:
The idea wouldn't have been pitched to the staff if the staff didn't think there was an issue as well...

I'm going to be honest here, I'm a bit surprised at the rejection of the idea of areas dedicated to a style of conversation one prefers. The idea of threads with nothing but long and thought out posts makes me very happy, I'm surprised that the idea of un-moderated everything goes isn't received.

Is it just the idea of being limited that's a turn off?
What is a turn off for me is the idea of having classes or types of forum users with specific designated places for them to post via their style/ability. That, by its very nature, is divisive to a community. It can foster contempt for different groups or classes, with each differing class thinking less of the other (Look to problems in real-world society for examples). To be labeled in such a way ("serious", "silly-spammy", whatever poster) might be attractive to some users but highly offensive to others. Who is to decide? What if a poster goes back and forth from one style in the same post? As in the real world, having variety is the spice of life. Maybe some are more sophisticated writers/readers than others, but so what? Maybe those who are less sophisticated/serious posters will learn and be guided by those who are more so (the proof of that is present in this thread). In any event, I look forward to reading all of the posts on a subject I am interested in, and contributing when I feel I have something to add, whether it be informative, lighthearted or otherwise. Sure, there are posts I would rather not see (poor grammar, flaming, trolling, disdain), but I exercise a choice to get past them and not let that ruin my online experience here.

Now, what makes me happy is seeing the discussion and exchange of ideas through interaction (albeit civil) between a wide variety of users here on the forums about a subject I hold near and dear. This includes the long-winded, thought-out posts as well as shorter or sarcastic (and even some off-topic) ones. A free-for-all, anything goes (anarchy) area might seem attractive, until that one time when someone crosses a line that should not be crossed and then it all comes crumbling down.

As mentioned before, let's please move on. I am moving on and will not be posting again on this subject. That being said, maybe the STAFF should handle this.
 
This is, at its roots, a debate between more or less government. Therefore, there are completely different ideologies at play here, and nobody is likely to change their opinion. Neither faction will ever be completely satiated. I think that here at ParkFans, we've always operated on more of a "free market" system, so to speak, and for the most part, I think it has served us well.

I just feel that we aren't being honest with ourselves as a community to say that we can't do a better job in maintaining a higher level of quality content on these boards. We are the content. The quality begins and ends with us. To capitulate to a stricter form of government on this site without even trying to step up our collective game feels like a refusal to take responsibility as a whole.

I just don't want to dichotomize the kind of content on this site without even trying to police ourselves better. Sometimes a thread that's too social and humorous can get boring, and sometimes a thread that's too serious can get boring. I'll admit that I've thrown discussions off track with a quick joke here or there. I may have done it today. But I don't think I've ever done it egregiously or inappropriately. Perhaps I'm wrong, but then I think someone should inform me. If no one does, I'll likely just make the same mistake again. That doesn't mean we need a watchdog moderation team, though; we're more than capable of taking care of ourselves.
 
chickenking said:
That being said, maybe the STAFF should handle this.

I'll be completely up front with you: We don't know how. That's the honest to god truth.

There are a lot of people who think the forum is being clogged with nonsense and a lot of people who enjoy the more casual tone. We could let things run free and alienate one side or hyper-moderate everything and alienate the other. While it sounds great to say something like "Well, split the difference and keep things well enough on track", that's 100x easier said than done. I, along with the rest of the moderating staff I'm sure, are stuck between a rock and a hard place here. I don't know what the solution is. I know what I want but what I want doesn't matter- what matters is what the members want and, well, we're really not sure what that is.

That said, here's one thing I have concluded: Splitting discussions on a single topic between more than one place is an awful idea.
 
chickenking said:
As mentioned before, let's please move on. I am moving on and will not be posting again on this subject. That being said, maybe the STAFF should handle this.

Why should we move on? Just because you dont agree with it? This thread is called forum suggestions, yet you say we should stop suggesting our ideas and move on?

Zach, I'm not talking about separate threads for identical topics, but a place where if your in the mood to socialize with other members, go here. If your in the mood to talk seriously about the parks, go here. the rants forum would be a way to keep threads on topic and not be cluttered with jokes, dont see the issue with that.
 
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I feel what was suggested envoked visions of 1984 and v police states. I'm going to use the good doctor as an exampruledst because that's what I see a lot and a lot of people use that. The scenario I've seen before where one person will make a joke and it becomes an entire page of "EXTERMINATE" has happened a few times, and often staff can't jump in quick enough before it kills a conversation. Conversation doesn't even need a few pages of these posts to be killed it only takes two or three. This is what those labeled threads are trying to stop.

These threads would have been approved by staff to make sure that they aren't being used friviliously. These threads would just be there to encourage conversations about serious topics for those who enjoy such thing. I get the desire to make jokes, I do it as well, the difference would just be that you can do that in 99% of the forums instead of 100%. They would also not be based on user, but by content. I know everybody on the forums is capable of writing a few sentences about a topic.

The suggestion that these thread would divide users is pretty farfethched since most of the forums would remain the exact same. Even Zachary himself just said there's a problem, and this was supposed to be a way to make everybody happy. However, it appears that enforcing content has already been ruled out, so fuck it.



LOLOLOL DALEKS
 
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I don't like the idea that there are certain topics and discussion on which I would not be able to comment, because of my writing style.

I am the first to admit that I sometimes can't resist making a joke or a cultural reference. Usually, I have a specific reason, however. I'm not looking for places to insert random movie quotes. Sometime a quote or a reference is a quick and easy (and lighthearted) way to make a point that would be tedious and possibly aggressive to spell out.

For example:

RE: Land of the Dragons (Germany)
Grinch: ...there's a light on this tree that won't light on one side. So I'm taking it home to my workshop, my dear. I'll fix it up there, then I'll bring it back here.

It was relevant to conversation and indicated my concerns about claims being made by the park. It was also a more lighthearted way of expressing myself. I know many of you are perfectly happy to attack one another; I'm not. I neither seek nor enjoy conflict. I don't, however, feel that my preference for humor over anger should prevent me from being able to comment on any topic under discussion.

I don't believe the idea is intended this way, but it feels like segregation: serious, relevant posters comment here; jokesters and casual posters, please keep to yourselves over here.

Edit: I would add that we already have threads for movies, TV, music, etc. I'm not sure that creating more dedicated threads would solve anything. If people already choose to discuss Doctor Who outside of the Doctor Who threads, how would this policy change anything?
 
Just because something is serious, doesn't mean it's with anger, there's a difference. Also, am I really wrong to think /all/ posts should be relevant?

You made a good point, threads with nothing but pop culture or whatever exists already. My suggestion is why can't the other types of posters have something?

In the end, Zach has spoken, so proceed with the daleks.
 
Sigh.

Maybe I was unclear. I never said all serious posts are angry. I believe that many of my posts are serious; they are rarely angry.
 
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I don't, however, feel that my preference for humor over anger should prevent me from being able to comment on any topic under discussion.

What does this mean then? I saw your other post so you consider this a straw man attack, if it's not then I apologize. However, a few people have indicated that serious posts are often aggressive.

Edit: My apologies, to everyone really. I have been sleep deprived over the last week due to a medical condition and I just now realized the proper context of "anger" in a few of these posts. While I still think a serious thread label would be a good idea, I apologize to the people in this thread.
 
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(I apologize: this post is a bit a stream of consciousness, because I am trying to juggle several issues at work and don’t have time to make it pretty.)

I personally generally prefer the serious posts. I in no way meant to imply that serious = angry. I do think discussions devolve into ad hominem attacks with alarming regularity; and I also believe there is a commonly-held view that the height of wit is to insult the park with some "clever" comment. I, personally, think those posts are just as distracting as references to Weeping Angels. I also think it is unfair to preclude me from expressing myself my way, when many people express themselves in ways that I find annoying.

What I was trying to say in my quick post was that I sometimes prefer to use humor to express disagreements or criticisms. I know that those posts could appear to be non sequiturs, but they are really my way of expressing myself. If I cannot use these tools, I feel I would be effectively muzzled.

Another example: there was a thread that I found painfully whiny and pretty much just a venue for pointless pot-shots at the park. I chose to post a cultural reference to make fun of the entire post, rather than be confrontational. My post was deleted, which is fine. But I imagine it was because people thought it was just a pointless Doctor Who joke. It wasn't. It was my way of saying that I thought the thread had spun way out of control.
 
Just to make sure it's seen because I feel bad about it...


My apologies, to everyone really. I have been sleep deprived over the last week due to a medical condition and I just now realized the proper context of "anger" in a few of these posts. While I still think a serious thread label would be a good idea, I apologize to the people in this thread.
 
Then shouldn't there be a way to make sure people can post what they want in ways that don't kill conversation? I mean, not every pop culture reference kills conversation, but due to the almost social network level of how close people are here, that happens easily. How should we stop that?
 
I'm not sure that I have a good answer to that question.

I can't recall what the forum rules say on the subject, but maybe they should be updated with specific references to the existing pop culture threads, so people know they exist. That might help alleviate the number of the posts about "a great new idea to put Doctor Who in Banbury Cross," etc.

Also, I agree that the hijacked thread icon and report button should be used more frequently.
 
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Like Nic said above, if you see an off-topic post, just report it and put "off topic post" as the reason. Then one of the staff can review it and delete/edit as necessary.

I've said it once before - outside of obvious personal attacks, spam or blatant rule violations, if no one reports an issue with it, then how will we know there's an issue with it.
 
Hi, guys.

I've been MIA the past few days with an avalanche of schoolwork. I came back only to find this issue coming up. I knew it was only a matter of time before this stone became turned over.

Look, people are always going to have different opinions on any given matter, both in real life and on the internet. It's amazing how much heat can be generated by lovers of a theme park. That is what makes this site so great: everybody here loves Busch Gardens Williamsburg, Kings Dominion, and/or Busch Gardens Tampa for one reason or another. This is the place where I can come to talk to other people like myself who share the same passion for the parks. I love talking to you all about the good and the bad that happen at these parks that we are all so passionate about.

The problem is, I find it difficult to talk about the parks I love when some members find it appropriate to treat the forums like Facebook. Most of you should know that I for one love humor; it makes even the darkest of times better. Some comical relief is absolutely fine. However, I did not join this site so I could talk about movies, Dr. Who, or the saaammee jjookkkee ooovvvverrr aaannnddd oovvvveerrr again.

This site was created for one sole purpose: a place where true theme park lovers could build an online community. And to build a community, you can't only have people posting paragraphs upon essays upon practically novels of opinions, ideas, and passions about the park. I get that. You need a place just to socialize, to learn some more about each other, to break the tension. I get that.

Unfortunately, I think people take it a bit too far, as Pretzel Kaiser has already highlighted. There comes a point where you know you aren't posting those jokes, those annoyingly goofy one-liners, those same memes and GIFs in order to add to the discussion. There comes a point where this stuff becomes worthless garbage, total spam that only clogs up the Unread Posts page. Some of you might know when you're taking it too far, but my guess would be that 90% of you don't even realize what you're doing is annoying and pointless to the rest of us.

I'm going to single out the Whovians for a minute. Please don't take offense; you're not alone. However, there is a group of about five people (you know who you are) who continually talk about Dr. Who, and maybe five or so more who tend to post every now and then about the show. The problem I have is that only these people care about this topic. Everybody else has to avoid it like plague and it just clogs up the discussion. This is applicable both to the entire thread about Dr. Who and the one jab into a topic that quickly avalanches on on-topic thread into another Dr. Who thread. I did not join a Dr. Who forum, I joined a theme park forum. If that's what you really want to talk about, you should go here: http://www.thedoctorwhoforum.com/

It's just as distracting when someone posts something that sorta-kinda fits the topic but still adds literally nothing to the conversation. For instance, I've seen on numerous occasions in the Kings Dominion boards, deep in the middle of a deep discussion, someone posts nothing more than something like, "I don't like Kings Dominion, so I can't comment on this issue. But I still don't like it." Why even post, then?!?

These two types of posting are, in fact, spam. Nothing good comes out of it.

You still don't have to write paragraphs to fix this issue if your posts typically fall into these categories. It's just a matter of what I call "high-quality" posts vs. low-quality posts. Example:

"I want the Southwest booth. I don't care if it fits the theme or not."

vs.

"I would prefer the Southwest booth. You may disagree with me, but I think good food comes first over theme for a special event. A Southwest booth would be good because[...]"

These posts contain the exact same opinion. One post is high-quality, one is not. I hope I don't have to hold your hand and tell you which is which.

I think the "Thanks" system gives you a good idea of how high of quality your posts are. I can't speak for other people, but I thank posts based on how thought-out, genuine, or helpful the post is; not whether or not I necessarily agree. For instance, Netdvn one wrote a nice, long post about why he likes Scott G. I don't agree personally, but his post was full of justified reasons and logic, which I appreciate. So I thanked it. The "Thanks" system, in theory, should tell you how popular your post (not your opinion) is. Your post doesn't have to be an essay to be good. I've seen plenty of amazing posts with the point given across in just a few sentences.

Then again, spammers think alike. Someone posts about Dr. Who, the other Whovians thank it.

Look for a variety of people who like your post. The more the better.

Again, some humor is fine. Once Luke brought up what the turtles would think of the new Rhine bridge. I literally laughed out loud. I love that post, so I thanked it.

It's as simple as this. Think long and hard before you hit the "Post Reply" button. If you think what you're posting adds to the discussion, then post away! If you have to second-guess, then don't. It's for the good of the site, for those who truly care.

Thank you.
 
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