Entwined: Tales of Good & Grimm

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RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

Shafor said:
While there is certainly a lot of rational criticism of this show, I kind of bugs me to see people state over and over again that it has no "story."
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I think the story, in its most basic form (combined forces of evil after a team of familiar main characters) should have made a great show. Sadly, something seems to have gone very wrong between the basic concept and the version we see now. Why is the most menacing weapon the evil witch could find a glitter-covered fishing net? Why is the witch's spell of giving everyone candy and singing a Willy Wonka song evil? How is "Big Bad Wolf, Bittersweat, it's time for you to leave" enough to stop two villains from executing their (evil?) plan? Why do all of the supposedly evil characters (and a ton of characters that don't show up anywhere else in the show) come out on stage and sing a few songs at the end? Lastly, and probably most importantly, why does every single last song in the show have to randomly burst into some jazz remix?!

Basically, the story is great on paper. However, because how badly the show as a whole is executed, it reflects badly on every aspect of the show, including the story.

Edit: It's also worth noting that, by my calculation, the show's main story (from when the Big Bad Wolf and Bittersweet are introduced to their banishment) lasts for about 10 minutes of the roughly 20 minute show.
 
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RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

Shafor said:
Forgive me for resurrecting this beast, but I've been meaning to address something that's been bugging me for a while. While there is certainly a lot of rational criticism of this show, I kind of bugs me to see people state over and over again that it has no "story." I mean, it has a pretty obvious story. In fact, I'd say it has more of a "story" (in that one scene ties into and advances the other) then pretty much any other show I've seen at BG in the past few years.

I'm not sure if people are being willfully obtuse in their criticism of this aspect of the show, or if they're just so blinded by their general distaste for the show that they just lump in the "no story" line into the barrage of bashing everything else.

Anyway, just wanted to get that off my chest. ;)
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I agree, I think people are just quick to jump to try and criticize everything about this show rather than the main problems.

Honestly, I don't mind this show. The only main issues I see is that it is not a proper dinner show. It has too much to actually care. When you go into the Festhaus you should be able to eat and occasionally view the show without being lost. This Is Oktoberfest has no real story to it, just a group of German dancers/singers, doing traditional dances. Not much to it. Very simple and that is what made it perfect for this location.

Mix It Up is similar, it has no specific story line and if you start watching it in the middle you don't feel lost. Whereas with Entwinted, it has so much of a story that you have to pay attention.

If Entwined was in a theater that was setup to where all you wen twas to sit and pay attention to the show, it would seem better.

This is also something that gets me more excited for Fiends. Fiends originally in the Festhaus did not have much of a plot. I had a beginning and an end but not real plot. Now that it will be in Abbeystone, I am sure they will re-write the show to have a very good plot.
 
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

Zachary said:
Basically, the story is great on paper. However, because how badly the show as a whole is executed, it reflects badly on every aspect of the show, including the story.
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That's all well and good. But the criticism has always been something to the effect of "I still can't figure out what the story is?"

:p
 
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RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

Zachary said:
Edit: It's also worth noting that, by my calculation, the show's main story (from when the Big Bad Wolf and Bittersweet are introduced to their banishment) lasts for about 10 minutes of the roughly 20 minute show.
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That is still more story than This Is Oktoberfest ever had. Just sayin.
 
RE: Entwined (2012)

Zachary said:
I was given a bit of information on Entwined today and if it's all true (it's from a good source), I think we have an excellent show coming to the park this year. By the sounds of it, Entwined will take a handful of different German fairy tales and nursery rhymes and jumble them all together into one show.
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Yeah, how terrible can it get :p

Zachary said:
I've heard there will be fog and even some simulated fire and snow.
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If only it was real fire and snow.

Zachary said:
Also, apparently the deck area above the entrance to Das Festhaus has been converted to an audio and effects booth for the show and is now disguised as a gingerbread house.
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Great disguise of course!

All in all, I had to poke fun at this. It really is kind of funny at how excited people were about this show and now condem the show. It sounded great, but it really is terrible.
In all seriousness though, I actually find the show to be decent for what it is worth and is average. Not the best, but not the worst. I actually think it's just pretty funny, the early conceptions of this show vs. the final product.
 
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

FWIW, a tagline has been added at the bottom of Entwined's description saying, "Entwined is closed for the 2012 season, but will return next year." (link). It's not that I didn't think it was leaving after this year, I just thought it was worth mentioning. So if you couldn't get your fair share of Entwined this year, there's always next year. ;)
The tagline has also been added to Mix It Up and Celtic Fyre.
 
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

I thought it rather humorous in that 2012 Passmember Preview video that the guy near the beginning of the presentation asked how many people had seen Entwined. Sounded like 3 people clapped. lol. Normally, any degree of applause or cheering would have been required at that point if the show was a hit - but it was mostly silence - which usually speaks volumes.

He also said that "it's got 'great reviews'"?! o_O They must have only polled the performers :p LOL All kidding aside: that remark shows how out-of-touch the park is with the average park-goer. Shame.
 
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RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

I don't know how he could've said all of that with a straight face to be honest. If I were him I would've apologized and fired myself for it.
 
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RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

I was dumbfounded at the claim that Entwined was some kind of big hit. There are plenty of complaints about it from the general public, such as in Trip Advisor reviews. Sure, some people like it, but I think its reception has been lukewarm overall/on average. It's one thing to put a good spin on something, another to be completely out of touch with reality.

ETA: By-Tor, the cashier jobs at the Festhaus should come with earplugs issued, standard. ;)
 
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RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

Interesting little bit from the park's fb page (this wasn't from the park, but a person who knows what they're talking about). " Entwined will be returning, but don't expect it to be anything like last year. The team behind the revamping of Fiends & Gloria this past year are suppose to be working on Entwined, so I expect that it will be a whole lot better than last year."

So...sexy fairy tale girls or Jesus-y fairy tales. :p
 
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RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

PzP said:
"Entwined will be returning, but don't expect it to be anything like last year. The team behind the revamping of Fiends & Gloria this past year are suppose to be working on Entwined, so I expect that it will be a whole lot better than last year."
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I can confirm.
 
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

They must be serious if they are getting the Fiends and Gloria crew together for it. I am interested to see how it turns out. After all, Fiends and Gloria seem to be their biggest hits.
 
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

So... the mushroom seats for kids next to the stage will or won't still be there?
Might be some creepy guys sitting there in the new season if they go with the new & improved, sexier look. :cool:
 
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

2013 Holds Surprises​
The story doesn't end with Good and Grimm​
 
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RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

A giant stegosaurus skeleton; that's old news, Zachary.
 
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