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RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

This morning while getting ready to go to the park my mom commented about how the new show was a big step backwards compared to the old. I figured all of you were just whining like usual, but you were right. With the exception of my 6 year old, this show was a bust with my family. I didn't watch any footage going in as to not ruin the experience, and what I saw was nowhere near what I had envisioned. They have great costumes, they need a lot less music and a lot more story/plot. They just need to hire me and I can make something of this show as well as redo that EITA monstrosity.
 
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

I watched Entwined four times this week. As it was new to me, and I love shows, I have a lot to say, but I don't have time right now. I'll get to it soon, and I look forward to sharing my thoughts....many pros and cons to this major change of a show and venue.
 
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

Is there any way to get a cast list for these shows? Is that available somewhere online or would the park provide it?
 
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

Aside from going the "under the table" route, I doubt you'd ever get your hands on it. :-/
 
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

smitty915 said:
Are you trying to send them hate mail haha

why would you send the cast hate mail? They're forced to do that show every day unless they quit. It's not their fault, it's management's.
 
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

Haha no hate mail. Just curiosity. All of Cedar Fair's parks have the whole cast listed on the signs for the showtimes, so I was just used to knowing. Is the show Busch Gardens "caliber?" No. But come to think of it, it's the first show that actually seems like it would be engaging for children outside Sesame Street. Even the Pirates film is pretty intense...

I'm not a fan of the very temporary looking stage or the awkward effects, but considering that the brochures for 2012 mention a show about barrel rolling and traditional Oktoberfest song and dance, it's clear that it was very last minute. Compared to the other shows, it's just an odd man out. For what it is, it's not terrible.
 
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

I remember that from when I was a kid! I feel like that area has just been left to the wayside. didn't they take a couple rides out for the sesame street area?
 
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RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

I've avoided this thread all summer until I had the chance to view the show. Well, yesterday the oportunity came.

Entwined, without question, is the dumbest and stupidest show I have ever seen! It's not engaging at all and the twisting of multiple story lines in hard to follow. This production has no business being in a setting that is suppose to celebrate the essence of Oktoberfest which includes beer drinking and polka dancing!

I thought nothing would top the disastrous replacement of Questor with King Arthur's Challenge but this new show most certainly did!!!
 
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

I'm home from my vacation, so I can finally offer my thoughts on Entwined. First however, I found this entry on the official park blog all about the renovations to the stage in Das Festhaus. Apparently, they put a lot of thought and effort into creating a performance space that has more flexability and possability with the intent of offering more elaborate shows than the traditional Octoberfest shows of the past. They talk about new lighting, sound, backstage areas, trap doors, larger stage area, etc, and they suggest that this is to bring the performance space up to a more theatrically appropriate level. It's worth reading here: http://www.buschgardensvablog.com/willkommen-new-stage-das-festhaus

I saw Entwined four times last week. On first viewing the show, I didn't hate it, but I thought it was not something the general public would take to. I found it to be a strange attempt at a Broadway style show using preexisting music that was inappropriate for the style and scale of the venue. Let me also say that I'm a fan of musical theater and theme park shows, and my initial reaction watching Entwined was that this is a show that only a gay musical theater fan could relate to (and I'm qualified to know that). The lack of a strong reaction from the audience told me that something was wrong even if I liked aspects of the show.

Here are some of the strong and weak points I noted. Firstly, the audience has come to expect an Octoberfest style show based on decades of seeing one in that building. That's a challenge to overcome when an entirely different style show is presented. The building is huge, much of the audience is at a distance, and people are dining, not fixated on a story or a single character, so the Octoberfest shows worked well. For the same reasons, a Broadway style show does not work well in this venue. Theater In the Round as a style of theater can work very well but the lack of a large set requires a strong performance and a compelling story, and it requires the audience to be more intimate. The new Festhaus stage floor is much too large, so even viewers up front feel distant from the featured performer when he or she is across the stage, and the venue itself is too large so that viewers in the back are totally disengaged from the performance.

Similarly, the performance space could work if a spectacle was presented there, not a show that focuses on solo performances and story. A show like Imaginique, Kinetix, or Katonga from BGT could work. They are flashy and large productions. The second half of Entwined worked better than the first half because it focused more on ensemble dance numbers and acrobats and less on solo performances, character, and story.

By the second viewing, I began to accept and understand the show more. For a story and character based show, there are too many characters that are not part of the story and just add confusion. The ensemble should have been restricted to group numbers like the gingerbread men, the gnomes, and the red capes, not additional superfluous characters such as goldilocks, rapunzel, and the pied piper. They had no significance to the story, and they were distracting.

On the second viewing I really liked the opening song about believing in fairy tales, Pure Imagination from Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, and the closing number about overcoming fears and driving on. These were strong musically and came across well. On the third and fourth viewings I continued to appreciate the individual performers and to find the better segments very enjoyable, and I forgave the rest off the show as being a big misunderstanding of how to create a show that utilized the space appropriately.

Another underlying problem with the creation of this show is that it's very difficult to use preexising songs in the context of a story and have it be believable. Songs for the theater are written for specific characters and stories, and they don't feel right when they are shoehorned into another story and set of characters. That's a herculean challenge that is difficult for any producer to overcome. It works to mixed results in some recent Broadway musicals like Mamma Mia and Billy Joel's Moving Out, but it's very difficult even for the experts to pull off, let alone a theme park show.

Entwined could work if it was moved to the Globe Theater in England where it could be fully staged and the audience could be more engaged, if the story was strengthened, and if the songs were more appropriate to the story and characters or if they were all original songs. The show did grow on me tremendously for it's strong points, hence my wanting to watch it a third and fourth time, but I can see from the weak reaction, that it is not going over as well with the general public who come to be entertained while they eat.

Interestingly, I didn't see this as a children's show. I saw it as a misguided family show. It could have been a show for all ages like a Disney production or a musical like Into the Woods, something that uses fairy tale characters while being mature and entertaining. I kept finding myself remembering Katonga from BGT or Alure from SeaWorld Orlando and wishing Entwined could have been more like that, if not Imaginique, Kinetix, or any Cirque style show.
 
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

My problem with the new stage is that it seems too... one dimensional... there is no second level like there used to be. It's just a big flat slab. I think it would be better for there to be lowered portions of the stage to add some depth to the show space and to possibly improve guest interaction. It may be billed as a "kiddie show," but in my opinion, it has very little interaction with them... I mean, the mushroom stools are a neat touch, but it still leaves the kids below the performers' feet; and that may be for safety reasons, but I still feel like the way the stage is arranged makes the show seem too separated from the audience and makes it harder to connect with it... less "welcoming" I suppose.
 
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Sorry, I forgot the admins required me to dull my intelligence in order to keep other users from feeling too intimidated.
 
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RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

Alpenghöst said:
My problem with the new stage is that it seems too... one dimensional... there is no second level like there used to be. It's just a big flat slab. I think it would be better for there to be lowered portions of the stage to add some depth to the show space and to possibly improve guest interaction. It may be billed as a "kiddie show," but in my opinion, it has very little interaction with them... I mean, the mushroom stools are a neat touch, but it still leaves the kids below the performers' feet; and that may be for safety reasons, but I still feel like the way the stage is arranged makes the show seem too separated from the audience and makes it harder to connect with it... less "welcoming" I suppose.

I feel that the stage is too large for a solo performance which Entwined uses too much of. The vastness of the stage and the scope of the venue calls for large scale productions, not single-character driven performances. I see your point that the stage is one dimensional and that's not something I considered. Creating segmented levels would improve the performance by creating depth and smaller enclaves where the audience could focus on a single performer. Similar to your thought, I did feel that the stage would benefit from a central lift.

As for the show being billed as a kiddie show, I never got that feeling at all. I thought the signage in front of Das Festhaus was promoting the show as a family dining experience. I think the show attempted to appeal to all ages, but it fails because it turns off those who aren't into campy musical theater which is most of the general public. The average guy eating knockworst and drinking beer may be entertained by an oompah band but won't get fairy tale characters singing about being brave and overcoming fears. The subject matter and characters make it appear to be a kiddie show on the surface, but I truly feel that wasn't the sole intent despite the outcome.
 
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

I am Into 'Campy Musical Theater', and I still HATED IT.
Mostly, Because the music was unoriginal.
And the 'Bad witch' Looked like a Dalek from Doctor Who.

It really made me think: 'this is what would happen if Little Red Riding hood and the Wizard of Oz had a baby"

I was there for 4 days. I saw the show the second day, and refused to back into the Festhaus for the rest of the trip.
 
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good and Grimm (2012 to Present)

gardener14 said:
I feel that the stage is too large for a solo performance which Entwined uses too much of. The vastness of the stage and the scope of the venue calls for large scale productions, not single-character driven performances.

Agreed. Less soliloquy and more colloquy.
 
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