Entwined: Tales of Good & Grimm

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RE: Entwined: Tales of Good & Grimm (2012 to Present)

No worries. I am not "downing" KD, per se. The MoonMax production at Carowinds called Eternal Jamnation had several vocalist that were better than most at BGW the past 2 seasons. The first I had ever seen this.

The last shows I saw at KD, and it has been a while, were a lip synched show at the fountain and a theatre show with in-your-face adult content and sets that looked equivalent to a good high school production. Singing and choreography was less than stellar. Per youtubes of KD's last show, CW vocalists were better than the KD versions for the same show. That's my opinion. I watched every showing of EJ at CW but only saw both KD shows once. For those curious, some snippets of KD & CW can be found on youtube.

So no hate here Joe. Also, let's not forget Kassie, Jeff and Damon came from KD! Leaving BGW the follower instead of the leader.
 
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RE: Entwined: Tales of Good & Grimm (2012 to Present)

Kids love it, so it's doing it's job. If people complain about this show, it's like adults complaining that they don't like the Tellitubbies.
 
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RE: Entwined: Tales of Good & Grimm (2012 to Present)

Mike79 said:
If people complain about this show, it's like adults complaining that they don't like the Tellitubbies.
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The Tellitubbies don't gobble up the park's budget and take up residence in the park's largest, most popular restaurant.
 
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Lol bro, those are real issues. There are about 50 pages of it if you'd like to learn more.
 
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Okay back on topic about Entwined. The beginning of the show has changed, instead of the guy coming out and swinging the ax, they are throwing the guy with the book up into the air and screaming "yay!" Seriously? I'd rather have the guy who was swinging the ax. It should also be noted, a performer who was in TIO last year, is now in here, too bad, because I know which one he was better in, and it ain't this fever dreamed fairytale. I still can't believe they made it even worse, I thought that was impossible.
 
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I can deal with the horibble-ness (?) of the show (barely!), but the thing that upsets and worries me is the lip syncing. The thing that worries me is, if the park can't afford some microphones, what can they afford? I know that they are just trying to cut back, but at least make the lip syncing believable, please. :s
 
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RE: Entwined: Tales of Good & Grimm (2012 to Present)

Lip syncing is common in shows, many stars lip sync, especially if they do a lot of dancing due to being too out of breath to sound normal.  You have to look at the roles of the characters to understand WHY they are lip syncing....Jack is an acrobat(or form of one), it's probably extremely difficult to find someone who can swing on a rope AND have a great voice for acting/singing....same thing with Raaaaandy who does a lot of gymnastics. Plus having a microphone attached while spinning and jumping might be considered a safety hazard. The parts that DO matter(singing parts) are not lip synced.
 
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RE: Entwined: Tales of Good & Grimm (2012 to Present)

Was the narrator holding a different crown this year? It looked like a plush toy last weekend, and I don't remember that from last year. I could be wrong... ?
 
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good & Grimm (2012 to Present)

Good Lord almighty!  Ok, look...I understand that little kids love this show (beautiful little daughter btw, ChickenKing!).  But the fact remains:  a kids show in a BEERHALL??!!  

With no small amount of pain, I watched the video (a few pages back) of the 'show'.  I just can't believe this is the Festhaus where this 'show' is taking place!  I love 'Dancing Queen' as  much as any other Abba lover (yes, I own Abba CD's), but NOT in a BGW show!  ESPECIALLY NOT in the Festhaus!!!  Is there NO originality left in the Entertainment department at BGW anymore??  

I regret watching that video now.  This 'show' is such a disgrace, and I feel sorry for the talented people who have to do this as a job.  Oh, to have the FESTHAUS back again with TIO...EVEN a new, updated version of it!...playing all the time.  Being able to sit down with a cold beverage and just take in the atmosphere and the beauty.  Which are now apparently all gone.  TIO every once in awhile is not good enough.  Bring back the GERMAN SHOW fulltime!

Ok, I'll stop there.  My feelings obviously haven't changed since they started this fiasco a few years back by ripping out the original stage (the 'heart and soul' of the Festhaus).  Shame on them.  Again.

I might post up a pic later on tonight that will bring back memories, and back up my opinion above..
 
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RE: Entwined: Tales of Good & Grimm (2012 to Present)

Just saying, the park has used other artists songs instead of making their own prior to Entwined They are just using a different genre. They still are as original as they were a few years ago.
 
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good & Grimm (2012 to Present)

Come now Flamanar, you're being too negative. :p

In seriousness, though, I agree with you. What it all boils down to is that it's a kids' show in a classic German beer hall. ("Classic German" = classy, mature theming; "Beer hall" = beer = adults) I've said this before, and I'll say it again: Entwined's biggest problem is that it is out-of-place.

No, it is not a good show. The performers are very talented and they do their jobs very well. However, the show is silly and flashy unfitting. I think part of the reason as to why it takes so much hate is the fact that its out-of-placeness makes its faults even more exaggerated, its gaudy parts even greater subject to ridicule.

I actually hoped at one point that maybe, just maybe- instead of letting the budget spent on the show go to waste entirely, they would relocate the show to the Globe. This would keep the show much more out of the way, open the Festhaus back up to what belongs there, and provide a draw to England without taking up much of a budget. Plus, the original version of Entwined was based more upon English fairytales than Brothers Grimm stories, anyway. Even moving Entwined to Castle O'Sullivan would be neat.

The key is, the show is more out of the way this way. Face it, not everyone likes Entwined. Not everyone has six-year-olds on tow when they visit the park. However, the Festhaus is BGW's largest eatery, and the only fully indoor one. It is my favorite restaurant at the park, but Entwined drives me away from it. The Festhaus was never designed to be a theater. It wasn't designed to host Broadway-style productions. It was designed to be a German beer hall with a showcase for classic German dancing.

Even if London Rocks flops, I won't be as negative or dramatic about it because I can easily avoid it (assuming it doesn't leak its way too far into Banbury Cross). For Entwined, this is not so easy.

At Kings Dominion, they have a show at their Grove Stage called "Karaoke Superstars." As you could imagine, picking guests to come up on stage and screech lyrics to some overused pop song into speakers surrounding the area ain't going to sound pretty. The stage is outdoors, and while it's situated near the corner of the park, it's still located near the outdoor pavilion of a large restaurant and the queue for Windseeker. I find myself avoiding the plague when I here some teenagers belting out "We could have had it right..." for the whole area to hear. To an extent, this is the same problem Entwined faces.

Entwined is a neat concept indeed. When I first heard about it, I was excited. It reminded me of the theme for the old Grimm's Hollow children's area, and I thought an old-fashioned tale of magic and lore would be a great addition to the park's entertainment lineup.

But, as disco balls, Dancing Queen, and a fairy tale stage in the middle of a beer hall suggest, I was proven to be wrong. :-/
 
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RE: Entwined: Tales of Good & Grimm (2012 to Present)

Party Rocker said:
Just saying, the park has used other artists songs instead of making their own prior to Entwined They are just using a different genre. They still are as original as they were a few years ago.
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...and for a few years now, I've not liked the fact that they use pop music in shows. Regardless of whether the show was Entwined or not. That's a 'cheap way out'. Pop music has no place in the Festhaus (imho).
 
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RE: Entwined: Tales of Good & Grimm (2012 to Present)

Joe said:
Come now Flamanar, you're being too negative. :p

In seriousness, though, I agree with you. What it all boils down to is that it's a kids' show in a classic German beer hall. ("Classic German" = classy, mature theming; "Beer hall" = beer = adults) I've said this before, and I'll say it again: Entwined's biggest problem is that it is out-of-place.
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But, as disco balls, Dancing Queen, and a fairy tale stage in the middle of a beer hall suggest, I was proven to be wrong. :-/
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I won't quote your entire post again, but you put into words PRECISELY what I feel. Thanks.
 
RE: Entwined: Tales of Good & Grimm (2012 to Present)

Yeah, I should have worded that better. :p It most certainly would not be neat, but it would be an improvement by both removing Entwined from the Festhaus and replacing an upcharge Elmo dining experience. Some Irish theming would make it at least the slightest bit more bearable.

The again, as a wise user once said: "Be careful what you wish for, be sure your wish is wise."
 
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