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You can argue anything should be or should not be open. But the "we dont want out of towners" is crap. The Va Beach oceanfront is a tourist destination but they worked that out.Maybe BGW should invest in a ton pof workout equipment, havent outside gyms been allowed for a while now? So you have to do five 1 lb reps while in line for Apollo.
BGW should reclassify their business as a large beer garden (it’s already in the name) and they could open to 100% capacity immediately.
 
I'm not defending the governor's position here, but comparing the risks afforded to essential businesses (Walmart, Home Depot, grocery stores, etc) to those afforded to non-essential, entertainment/tourism businesses is a false equivalency. One group is required for society to function, the other is not.

Respectfully, I strongly disagree with this because other than theme parks, Northam has allowed pretty much every non-essential business to open in some way. Arcades are full of touch points and crowds and Northam is allowing them to open, yet they’re not required for society to function. Baseball stadiums, zoos, concerts, and beaches all attract people from other states and Northam is allowing them to open, yet they’re not required for society to function.

I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I totally agree with @WDWRLD: Northam is singling out theme parks while allowing venues that are just as unnecessary - and likely less safe - to operate.
 
Respectfully, I strongly disagree with this because other than theme parks, Northam has allowed pretty much every non-essential business to open in some way. Arcades are full of touch points and crowds and Northam is allowing them to open, yet they’re not required for society to function. Baseball stadiums, zoos, concerts, and beaches all attract people from other states and Northam is allowing them to open, yet they’re not required for society to function.

I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I totally agree with @WDWRLD: Northam is singling out theme parks while allowing venues that are just as unnecessary - and likely less safe - to operate.

I wasn't commenting on the boarder case. I was just pointing out that in the specific comparison outlined by @WDWRLD (risk we're allowing essential businesses to take vs. the risks that we're allowing parks to take) is irrelevant.
 
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I want to point out that people have demonstrated that they are irresponsible and cannot be trusted to wear masks or comply with safety guidelines. I know I am not really comfortable spending several hours in a theme park with lots of touch points and queues, surrounded by other guests who refuse to socially distance, wear face coverings, etc. And I really don't expect park ops to be able to force guests to comply.

In the case of stores and restaurants I would spend significantly less time surrounded by people defying the COVID policies. I'm not saying the policy is equitable, but I don't think the comparisons are entirely valid either. Maybe if people (especially in Tidewater) were more responsible, I'd have less sympathy for the governor's decision.
 
I want to point out that people have demonstrated that they are irresponsible and cannot be trusted to wear masks or comply with safety guidelines. I know I am not really comfortable spending several hours in a theme park with lots of touch points and queues, surrounded by other guests who refuse to socially distance, wear face coverings, etc. And I really don't expect park ops to be able to force guests to comply.

In the case of stores and restaurants I would spend significantly less time surrounded by people defying the COVID policies. I'm not saying the policy is equitable, but I don't think the comparisons are entirely valid either. Maybe if people (especially in Tidewater) were more responsible, I'd have less sympathy for the governor's decision.

If Northam shut down the beaches, bars, movie theaters, and other unnecessary venues, then I’d be less upset because at least his policy would be consistent. But since it essentially singles out theme parks because of the enormity of their operation, it seems questionable to me.
 
I want to point out that people have demonstrated that they are irresponsible and cannot be trusted to wear masks or comply with safety guidelines. I know I am not really comfortable spending several hours in a theme park with lots of touch points and queues, surrounded by other guests who refuse to socially distance, wear face coverings, etc. And I really don't expect park ops to be able to force guests to comply.

In the case of stores and restaurants I would spend significantly less time surrounded by people defying the COVID policies. I'm not saying the policy is equitable, but I don't think the comparisons are entirely valid either. Maybe if people (especially in Tidewater) were more responsible, I'd have less sympathy for the governor's decision.
If you don't feel comfortable.... then you don't go. Same as you can avoid going to beaches, arcades, bowling alleys, etc.

I stand by my point, and he more or less confirmed it today... he is keeping BG closed to make Florida look bad. The policy's lack of cohesiveness makes no sense scientifically, there is no data to support it, it's bad for the economy (how many in park and out of park jobs are impacted? ), and shows he's really all about politics.
 
Is it possible that the governor is just hesitant on opening things up to more people because of the dangerous disease?

I can’t believe this has to be said again, but the more people that are irresponsible, the longer we’re all going to have to suffer through all this. Texas has to close everything again and all of us should be looking at them as an example of what not to do.

Also, Florida doesn’t need much help to look bad.
 
If you don't feel comfortable.... then you don't go. Same as you can avoid going to beaches, arcades, bowling alleys, etc.

I stand by my point, and he more or less confirmed it today... he is keeping BG closed to make Florida look bad. The policy's lack of cohesiveness makes no sense scientifically, there is no data to support it, it's bad for the economy (how many in park and out of park jobs are impacted? ), and shows he's really all about politics.

My point was not about my comfort, but thanks for the snark. I am perfectly capable of deciding whether I want to go to a park and have never conflated my singular preferences with the good of the group.

My point was that there is a reasonable case to be made that people have demonstrated that they are not responsible enough to attend parks safety. And I include people on this Forum in that assessment.
 
Is it possible that the governor is just hesitant on opening things up to more people because of the dangerous disease?

I can’t believe this has to be said again, but the more people that are irresponsible, the longer we’re all going to have to suffer through all this. Texas has to close everything again and all of us should be looking at them as an example of what not to do.

Also, Florida doesn’t need much help to look bad.

Again, the problem is the inconsistency. He can’t claim to only act based on protecting people from the virus when he’s allowing beaches, bars, and other entertainment venues to open with far fewer restrictions. It’s bad policy, straight up.
 
My point was not about my comfort, but thanks for the snark. I am perfectly capable of deciding whether I want to go to a park and have never conflated my singular preferences with the good of the group.

My point was that there is a reasonable case to be made that people have demonstrated that they are not responsible enough to attend parks safety. And I include people on this Forum in that assessment.


Why is this BGW and KD’s burden to bear? If people can’t act responsibly, then shut down the beaches, close the zoo’s, don’t open the museums, don’t allow bars and restaurants to operate at near 100% capacity.

It’s not right that BGW and KD should be punished simply because some people believe that them being open might lead to an increase in cases..... I’ll tell you one thing, if BGW and KD we’re allowed to open at a reasonable level, they would absolutely go well above and beyond the enforcement of covid protocols more than what minimal levels of enforcement you see with some of these restaurants, bars, etc. The reason being - they would be under the biggest microscope and the wouldn’t want to mess it up.
 
So the current 1000 has the logic behind it. This is to mitigate the damage caused by irresponsible people and makes contact tracing easier.

The virus is dangerous. We (should) know this. No one is being “punished” or whatever. These decisions are from actual experts who know way more about diseases than anyone here and I’m fine waiting if it means everything ends sooner.

I’ll be happy to find Sesame Street videos if people need an explanation on how diseases work.
 
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So the current 1000 has the logic behind it. This is to mitigate the damage caused by irresponsible people and makes contact tracing easier.

The virus is dangerous. We (should) know this. No one is being “punished” or whatever. These decisions are from actual experts who know way more about diseases than anyone here and I’m fine waiting if it means everything ends sooner.

I’ll be happy to find Sesame Street videos if people need an explanation on how diseases work.

Why is Northam allowing Virginia Beach to open with virtually no social distancing enforcement in place? Why are bars allowed to open essentially as normal? The issue is Northam’s policies clearly are not just designed to keep us safe, because he’s made plenty of other allowances that put people at greater risk. It’s almost as if he’s not a perfect policy-maker.
 
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When you look at the capacity figure that is how many guests can be in the park safely at one time. That is not the daily attendance. The daily attendance is how many come through the gates in a day and guests flows have guests entering and guest exiting throughout the day. If you’ve ever noticed signs in movie theaters or entertainment venues they say maximum capacity for this room is a number. For example it might be 200. But if they would have 5 shows in that day that were filled, the attendance would be 1,000 for the day.
 
So the current 1000 has the logic behind it. This is to mitigate the damage caused by irresponsible people and makes contact tracing easier.

The virus is dangerous. We (should) know this. No one is being “punished” or whatever. These decisions are from actual experts who know way more about diseases than anyone here and I’m fine waiting if it means everything ends sooner.

I’ll be happy to find Sesame Street videos if people need an explanation on how diseases work.

Yes - BGW and KD are effectively being punished (they can’t open), yet you have miles and miles of beaches open, with bars and restaurants flourishing??

I guarantee you that both parks would not only implement the best preventive measures, but you wouldn’t enter in the park without a reservation (requiring your name and contact info) which would allow for contact tracing, on a much easier level than thousands upon thousands of people at the beach.
 
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