I think it’s safe to say that we should have an eye out for a May first day instead of an April first day.
COVID-19’s Impacts on BGW
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I think it’s safe to say that we should have an eye out for a May first day instead of an April first day.
Minimally I'd think it would affect any shows a park would present. Then again, standing in a back and forth queue (such as LNM) might fall into that criteria and even the main gate.
Oh yeah I don’t think any shows or indoor attractions would be open. Probably would be a lower capacity limit too.
While not disclosing the source for obvious reasons. I was told by someone who runs a entertainment place of some sort that they been advised by the company that they are affiliated with that the govenor doesn't have enforcement power for the order and that it's ok to stay open. I don't agree with that decision but I am throwing it out in response to the question.
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This is exactly what I’m worried about. I fear that parks and similar places will feel financially pressured to open at some point, even against society’s best interest, and of course people will visit and make the problem worse. I’m usually a free markets guy, but in times like this I hope something can be worked out to prevent that scenario.
I believe those entertainment people are wrong. The government does have the right to curtail activities/business in the event of a declaration of emergency. Most (come to think of it, probably all of you) don't recall that there was an energy crisis in the late 70's in which the State only allowed businesses to be open a maximum of 40 hours in a 7 day week. I recall Coliseum Mall polled stores and selected 40 hours that the majority felt most beneficial. During a gas crisis the state mandated which days (odd/even license plate number) you could purchase gas.
The parks (and every other business) will definitely feel the financial pressure. But if the government says "no way Jose" then they have no recourse but to stay closed.
The parks (and every other business) will definitely feel the financial pressure. But if the government says "no way Jose" then they have no recourse but to stay closed.
Most parks should have the ability to do an orderly shutdown of the rides and basically go to a skeleton crew for a long downturn - e.g. a one year pandemic. SEAS problem is that all their animals require care and feeding, and none of those costs can go away in a shutdown, short of giving up the animals. I actually think Cedar Fair and Six Flags have a much better chance of survival than SEAS in this scenario. Disney and Universal could largely do the same, though the Animal Kingdom is a bit of an issue.
Pretty sure all the governor would have to do is Declare martial law and activate the national guard. Good look for "entertainment people" telling the National Guard their parent company said its OK to ignore a governors orders to shut down
It won't go that far. It didn't during the "40 hour" mandate. There were major fines that could/did get imposed.
Then let the free market figure it out. Why stop being into the free market when shit hits the fan? Let's see how far into the ground they can run this puppy.
According to the Virginia Constitution, he has the authority -
Executive orders, to include those declaring a state of emergency and directing evacuation, shall have the force and effect of law and the violation thereof shall be punishable as a Class 1 misdemeanor in every case where the executive order declares that its violation shall have such force and effect.
Such executive orders declaring a state of emergency may address exceptional circumstances that exist relating to an order of quarantine or an order of isolation concerning a communicable disease of public health threat that is issued by the State Health Commissioner for an affected area of the Commonwealth pursuant to Article 3.02 (§ 32.1-48.05 et seq.) of Chapter 2 of Title 32.1.
Title 44. Military and Emergency Laws
law.lis.virginia.gov
Did not really get into the details but it's from a company that not small so I sure the advice was probably vetted by some lawyers who have clue. I was shocked when he told me.
Reading through the referenced Chapter 2 of Title 32.1 specially states that it applies only to people who have been exposed not a general quarantine. So it's definitely a debatable point legally.According to the Virginia Constitution, he has the authority -
Executive orders, to include those declaring a state of emergency and directing evacuation, shall have the force and effect of law and the violation thereof shall be punishable as a Class 1 misdemeanor in every case where the executive order declares that its violation shall have such force and effect.
Such executive orders declaring a state of emergency may address exceptional circumstances that exist relating to an order of quarantine or an order of isolation concerning a communicable disease of public health threat that is issued by the State Health Commissioner for an affected area of the Commonwealth pursuant to Article 3.02 (§ 32.1-48.05 et seq.) of Chapter 2 of Title 32.1.
Title 44. Military and Emergency Laws
Early one today:
Day 3, no BGW -
Argued with an ATM to simulate trying to get my guest pass from a kiosk. Went into the bank and because there was no line decided to sit and wait to simulate BGW guest service speed.
Day 3, no BGW -
Argued with an ATM to simulate trying to get my guest pass from a kiosk. Went into the bank and because there was no line decided to sit and wait to simulate BGW guest service speed.
I'm not legal/constitutional law expert, but I'm very confident that somewhere in the emergency powers aspect he had such powers. Further, it's safe to assume that this crowd ban and other edicts aren't knee jerk actions and have been run through the Attorney General's office regarding legality, etc. But who's stupid enough to challenge and gather?
Another subject - We all know that BGW was geared to open. Which means they were stocked with perishable goods like produce, etc. With schools closed, seniors self-quaratined etc. they should step up and donate that food where it'll do the most good.
BGW always donates leftover food to the local food shelter. They do if after HOS and Christmas and other events like food and wine. I have 0 doubt that they are sending food their way this week
I never knew that. I feel like this is a good time for them to make a BTS video showing what happens. 1 it’s a feel good story in a time of crisis and 2 it will make people want to spend money with them.
I knew they made those donations...but, as @warfelg stated, they should make more of a concerted effort to let the general public know they're supporting the community, especially in times like these. (Which might be a stretch for the marketing/social media department ?)
This type of binary thinking is what prevents actual problem solving and allows existing problems to fester. One can be a supporter of free markets and still understand there are instances where free markets either will not work or will not be optimal if not reigned in by other policy. Economics is inherently messy and cannot be put into the "either/or" box that today's polarized society attempts to fit it into. Even Adam Smith (the big "free markets guy") understood this and discussed potential problems inherent with the free market in his book, The Wealth of Nations. Good economists understand that there is no binary right or wrong answer in their field, which is why even those with opposing theories still respect each other's work and learn from each other. They realize there will always be exceptions and problems with any "pure" theory, and that no pure theory will work in practice. John Maynard Keynes and Friedrich Hayek are two of the most famous examples of men with opposing theories and neither of these theories is completely "right" or completely "wrong." A combination of their theories, among many other (often conflicting) theories are used in practical economic problem solving.
My point is that it's dangerous to conflate economic thinking with binary political thinking. Economic problem solving would function much better if the wrench of politics weren't constantly thrown at it.