COVID-19’s Impacts on BGW

[Jonesta6]

I'd also think a larger company such as SEAS or CF (or SF, Disney, Universal, etc. but they're not in Virginia) could also afford to delay reporting or under report anything outside of obvious injury depending on what the reporting regulations for theme parks is in Virginia.

Something like a few people getting sick could also be theoretically tied back to another source, and that makes plausible deniability much easier for a larger scale operation than a bar. Especially when they're outdoors and theoretically can have guests spread out much further apart than any indoor venue seems to be able to.

This is all my own guesswork and opinion btw, not objective facts.

 

[WDWRLD]

Then we'll never know if we could relax any of the COVID Taskforce rules in parks and should, instead, continue to follow CDC guidelines to a tee.

So are you suggesting that you think at some point that every day every person entering a theme park will be tested before they enter?

 

[Zachary]

There was a time we had hope for some widescale rapid testing... But at this point, no, we’re definitely not on that road as a country.

What I was saying though is that if we don’t have mass surveillance testing—the kind everyone agrees we need to identify, isolate, and trace asymptotic cases—we won’t have the data required to say that spread likely isn’t occuring in parks and hence, we won’t have the evidence required to relax CDC guidelines in parks.

 

[Memles]

I remember back when parks were first starting to open again the consortium that runs a bunch of park Facebook fan groups wrote this form post trying to claim that they expected the mask policies to be relaxed sooner than later, but the reality is that three months later the country is worse off than it was at that point, meaning that there is no room within public consciousness for a major corporation to backpedal on restrictions.

There’s no evidence that theme parks have served as superspreader events, and there hasn’t been any kind of anecdotal reporting of cases emerging from visiting parks, but the idea that this does anything other than support the status quo is wishful thinking at best. The lack of proper contact tracing means that any larger gathering of people will be under intense scrutiny, and the holiday weekend saw larger crowds at the Universal parks that started to ping radars of the type of reporting parks are desperate to avoid.

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And let’s be clear: Everything about the park’s approach to COVID safety is about appearances. I don’t think any park wants people to die, but the fine print when we walk through the security checkpoint basically strips them of liability, meaning the real goal of the restrictions is to convince us to be willing to visit the park at all. And while those who believe mask requirements are draconian will complain to like-minded individuals and maybe foster bad press on a few Facebook posts, those who fear a park is risking people’s lives will get far more traction in legitimate news media, and carries far more significant costs to a company’s reputation in an industry where safety is so critical.

You will be wearing masks to enter a major theme park until there is wide distribution of a vaccine, and it would be corporate suicide for SEAS or Disney or Universal or Six Flags to decide otherwise when the situation remains so volatile.

 

[10fttall]

Theme park visitors are screwed for a LONG time. The force is strong with the mask cult. It's very strong, but not particularly smart. It seems your mortal sin of non-mask usage is forgiven without much judgement in random circumstances where you can go without a mask if you are eating, drinking (or too stupid to realize it ALSO goes over your nose) This is indoors! And on planes! The brilliant Coronavirus respects your good intentions and promises not to go infecting others during the 15 or 20 minutes you are inches away from people on a plane or protesting.

If we could petition the Coronavirus to include one's entire visit to theme parks in its benevolent grace, or perhaps put up some graffiti and arson booths; Bush Gardens could be home free.

 

[Zachary]

I feel like I should get this printed on a T-shirt or something at this point...

Mask mandates are crucial for places where maintaining 6 or more feet of social distancing at all times is impossible. You can’t maintain a consistent 6 feet in an amusement park, hence, mask mandate.

It’s really very simple.

As for the “mask cult,” we (the 82% of the country you’re not a part of) are simply making the only rational choice here—listening to scientists and experts. The 18%—containing selfish science-deniers of all stripes—is thankfully a pretty small minority—one so small at this point that they hardly even seem worth considering.

Poll: 82 percent of voters support a national face mask mandate

A vast majority of voters support the idea of a national mask mandate, a new Hill-HarrisX poll finds.

thehill.com

You say the force is strong with the “mask cult?” Sure—but that’s an understatement—the “mask cult” has won. We’re going to win the history books too, so at some point you should read some actual peer-reviewed science and mosey on over and join the vast majority of Americans on the right side of history.

 

[WDWRLD]

Dont toot your horn too soon. I find those numbers hard to believe based on my travels day to day. Walmart is about 99% to get through the door then half the people either take them off or they are under the nose or chin employees included. Home Depot seems about 75% give or take weekends or during the week when the working folks are there getting materials. Advance Auto is like 0%. My Food Lion 50% and once you get south of the Virginia line going to the OBX theres very little mask use that I see. It seems some of the really touristy shops are still trying to enforce masks but I think thats more to make the NY, NJ, Pa tourists happy. Even people I know that were very strick on always wearing a mask are now getting fed up. Even BGW the last half hour or so of the night you see many many people with them either off or hanging from one ear. People play the silly game of wearing them even when they are well over the 6 foot apart but then at the end of the night when everyone is leaving the masks come off because by that point whats the park going to do? Kick you out? Thats what pisses me off more than anything, the whole mask thing was to wear them when you "cant maintain social distancing of 6 foot or more". When you are walking around BGW and you cant see another guest in any direction theres no reason you should be required to have your mask on. I would even be more inclined to play nice if thats how it was but no these places expect you to not take it off for anything. Neck gaiters have been proven to do absolutely nothing.....yet most places are happy as long as you have one of those on.

 

[Zachary]

The polling is clear—the overwhelming majority support mask mandates.

Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll, 79% in favor of mandates, 70% in favor of fines

79 percent say they support national face mask mandate: poll

A vast majority of voters say they support a national face mask mandate amid skyrocketing coronavirus cases in parts of the United States that have the nation going in the wrong direction compared to many other countries.

thehill.com

POLITICO/Morning Consult, 72% somewhat or strongly favor mandates

Bipartisan majority supports statewide mask mandates, poll finds

The broad approval comes as statewide mask mandates aimed at stopping the spread of coronavirus are under effect in more than half of U.S. states.

www.politico.com

Hill-HarrisX, 82% somewhat or strongly support mandates

Poll: 82 percent of voters support a national face mask mandate

A vast majority of voters support the idea of a national mask mandate, a new Hill-HarrisX poll finds.

thehill.com

AP/NORC, 75% favor mask requirements

AP-NORC poll: 3 in 4 Americans back requiring wearing masks

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Three out of four Americans, including a majority of Republicans, favor requiring people to wear face coverings while outside their homes, a new poll finds, reflecting fresh alarm over spiking coronavirus cases and a growing embrace of government advice intended to safeguard publi

apnews.com

NPR/Ipsos, 76% support a law requiring wearing masks at all times in public

Despite Mask Wars, Americans Support Aggressive Measures To Stop COVID-19, Poll Finds

Two-thirds of Americans believe the U.S. is handling the pandemic worse than other nations, an NPR/Ipsos poll finds. Majorities support more aggressive measures to stop the spread of the coronavirus.

www.npr.org

Your anecdotal report about mask usage plummeting once you cross the state line into NC is backed by the NYT’s data for what it’s worth. I just don’t know why we would be trying to mimic the ignorant behavior of people down in OBX...

A Detailed Map of Who Is Wearing Masks in the U.S. (Published 2020)

The patterns from hundreds of thousands of survey respondents reflect partisanship, peer pressure and the footprint of the coronavirus itself.

www.nytimes.com

 

[10fttall]

Dont toot your horn too soon. I find those numbers hard to believe based on my travels day to day. Walmart is about 99% to get through the door then half the people either take them off or they are under the nose or chin employees included. Home Depot seems about 75% give or take weekends or during the week when the working folks are there getting materials. Advance Auto is like 0%. My Food Lion 50% and once you get south of the Virginia line going to the OBX theres very little mask use that I see. It seems some of the really touristy shops are still trying to enforce masks but I think thats more to make the NY, NJ, Pa tourists happy. Even people I know that were very strick on always wearing a mask are now getting fed up. Even BGW the last half hour or so of the night you see many many people with them either off or hanging from one ear. People play the silly game of wearing them even when they are well over the 6 foot apart but then at the end of the night when everyone is leaving the masks come off because by that point whats the park going to do? Kick you out? Thats what pisses me off more than anything, the whole mask thing was to wear them when you "cant maintain social distancing of 6 foot or more". When you are walking around BGW and you cant see another guest in any direction theres no reason you should be required to have your mask on. I would even be more inclined to play nice if thats how it was but no these places expect you to not take it off for anything. Neck gaiters have been proven to do absolutely nothing.....yet most places are happy as long as you have one of those on.

This. My survey of real life says those fantastical numbers are 100% ca-ca. Just look around and you'll see it's laughable to say that many people support a National mandate...or I really like the one where more than 70% support fines. B freaking S. And the fact that it all mysteriously goes out the window if you're eating or drinking or less than 2 years old. If it were serious, and not a fad/virtue signaling/etc, we would not be allowed to remove them AT ALL on planes, we would forbid taking infants to places of business, and we would keep the restaurants closed. There is "science" that is just as good as any other "science" that says droplets and particulate matter is able to carry far greater than 6 feet.

Edit:OK, I see the inevitable response of how I'm some kind of rube because I don't believe all these polls. Here's the response, so I don't have to later: A. IT's a carefully chosen sample group or B. with these hot button issues, people feel social pressure to say the "right" answer. Like if there was a poll to ask if they support masks, or BLM, or whatever fad-ish issues...there are a lot of people that would probably go ahead and say the "socially acceptable" answer and not say what they see as confronting the general push of culture and the wholly sold out media.

 

[Nicole]

Dont toot your horn too soon. I find those numbers hard to believe based on my travels day to day. Walmart is about 99% to get through the door then half the people either take them off or they are under the nose or chin employees included. Home Depot seems about 75% give or take weekends or during the week when the working folks are there getting materials. Advance Auto is like 0%. My Food Lion 50% and once you get south of the Virginia line going to the OBX theres very little mask use that I see. It seems some of the really touristy shops are still trying to enforce masks but I think thats more to make the NY, NJ, Pa tourists happy. Even people I know that were very strick on always wearing a mask are now getting fed up. Even BGW the last half hour or so of the night you see many many people with them either off or hanging from one ear. People play the silly game of wearing them even when they are well over the 6 foot apart but then at the end of the night when everyone is leaving the masks come off because by that point whats the park going to do? Kick you out? Thats what pisses me off more than anything, the whole mask thing was to wear them when you "cant maintain social distancing of 6 foot or more". When you are walking around BGW and you cant see another guest in any direction theres no reason you should be required to have your mask on. I would even be more inclined to play nice if thats how it was but no these places expect you to not take it off for anything. Neck gaiters have been proven to do absolutely nothing.....yet most places are happy as long as you have one of those on.

This. My survey of real life says those fantastical numbers are 100% ca-ca. Just look around and you'll see it's laughable to say that many people support a National mandate...or I really like the one where more than 70% support fines. B freaking S. And the fact that it all mysteriously goes out the window if you're eating or drinking or less than 2 years old. If it were serious, and not a fad/virtue signaling/etc, we would not be allowed to remove them AT ALL on planes, we would forbid taking infants to places of business, and we would keep the restaurants closed. There is "science" that is just as good as any other "science" that says droplets and particulate matter is able to carry far greater than 6 feet.

Just because you don't personally see people supporting mask usage inside your very limited personal environment, doesn't really mean that across the country it isn't the majority opinion. You keep attempting to extrapolate from your anecdotal observations (which we cannot verify and inevitably will be affected by bias) to the general population. That evidence simply doesn't stand up to any kind of scientific rigor.

 

[Zachary]

Whelp, I guess we should all go home—@10fttall’s anecdotal observations surely trump professional assessments by expert statisticians! If @10fttall’s friends, family, and local Food Lion shoppers don’t support masks, there’s no way anyone else does! Case closed! Silly pollsters—they should have just given @10fttall a call!

“Have some pesky statistics that make you uncomfortable in your current, ignorant, scientifically-unsupported beliefs? CALL @10fttall! He will fix you up with some personal experience to cite as fact in no time!”

 

[Ghost of Pretzel Kaiser]

“I don’t like your data so here are my anecdotes.”

Brought to you by the same people who have stated that COVID is a conspiracy.

 

[10fttall]

If I don't support it, nobody does? Nice try. I disagree with those absurd percentages-The 80% and 70% in support of fines? Come on. It's not just me, I think unless you walk around with your head somewhere dark, any of us can see that people by their behavior don't generally feel this way. Maybe, just maybe, 50% give or take.

 

[WDWRLD]

What im saying is in the past month I have been to Florida where people were wearing them at Disney, but between here and there at the 3 fuel stops, one stop at ChickFila, and the handful of rest stops I saw very few people wearing them. In my travels around Hampton Roads, and believe me that is from Norfolk, Chesapeake, VaBeach all the way to the far end of Williamsburg I see about 50% usage, and thats counting those people riding in cars by them selves with mask on. I have imediate family that traveled to Kentucky over the weekend and saw little mask useage between here and there. Everyone can believe what they want and see what they want and you can throw your word 'Science" around all you want but more and more people are throwing in the towel on wearing masks.

 

[horsesboy]

The polling is clear—the overwhelming majority support mask mandates.

Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll, 79% in favor of mandates, 70% in favor of fines

79 percent say they support national face mask mandate: poll

A vast majority of voters say they support a national face mask mandate amid skyrocketing coronavirus cases in parts of the United States that have the nation going in the wrong direction compared to many other countries.

thehill.com

POLITICO/Morning Consult, 72% somewhat or strongly favor mandates

Bipartisan majority supports statewide mask mandates, poll finds

The broad approval comes as statewide mask mandates aimed at stopping the spread of coronavirus are under effect in more than half of U.S. states.

www.politico.com

Hill-HarrisX, 82% somewhat or strongly support mandates

Poll: 82 percent of voters support a national face mask mandate

A vast majority of voters support the idea of a national mask mandate, a new Hill-HarrisX poll finds.

thehill.com

AP/NORC, 75% favor mask requirements

AP-NORC poll: 3 in 4 Americans back requiring wearing masks

LOS ANGELES (AP) — Three out of four Americans, including a majority of Republicans, favor requiring people to wear face coverings while outside their homes, a new poll finds, reflecting fresh alarm over spiking coronavirus cases and a growing embrace of government advice intended to safeguard publi

apnews.com

NPR/Ipsos, 76% support a law requiring wearing masks at all times in public

Despite Mask Wars, Americans Support Aggressive Measures To Stop COVID-19, Poll Finds

Two-thirds of Americans believe the U.S. is handling the pandemic worse than other nations, an NPR/Ipsos poll finds. Majorities support more aggressive measures to stop the spread of the coronavirus.

www.npr.org

Your anecdotal report about mask usage plummeting once you cross the state line into NC is backed by the NYT’s data for what it’s worth. I just don’t know why we would be trying to mimic the ignorant behavior of people down in OBX...

A Detailed Map of Who Is Wearing Masks in the U.S. (Published 2020)

The patterns from hundreds of thousands of survey respondents reflect partisanship, peer pressure and the footprint of the coronavirus itself.

www.nytimes.com

The problem with the poll is it ask a simple quest do you support a mask mandate but didn't define what the mandate was leaving each individual to define it for themselves. Meaning they could think they are supporting anything from a mandate that you wear one if you been exposed to you must wear one everytime you step out of your home at all times.

 

[Nicole]

If I don't support it, nobody does? Nice try. I disagree with those absurd percentages-The 80% and 70% in support of fines? Come on. It's not just me, I think unless you walk around with your head somewhere dark, any of us can see that people by their behavior don't generally feel this way. Maybe, just maybe, 50% give or take.

What im saying is in the past month I have been to Florida where people were wearing them at Disney, but between here and there at the 3 fuel stops, one stop at ChickFila, and the handful of rest stops I saw very few people wearing them. In my travels around Hampton Roads, and believe me that is from Norfolk, Chesapeake, VaBeach all the way to the far end of Williamsburg I see about 50% usage, and thats counting those people riding in cars by them selves with mask on. I have imediate family that traveled to Kentucky over the weekend and saw little mask useage between here and there. Everyone can believe what they want and see what they want and you can throw your word 'Science" around all you want but more and more people are throwing in the towel on wearing masks.

Maybe you two really simply don't understand the problem with your logic. Kinda tragic, really.

 

[10fttall]

“I don’t like your data so here are my anecdotes.”

Brought to you by the same people who have stated that COVID is a conspiracy.

Typical. mischaracterize, misquote, exaggerate. Never have I once said that. COVID is no more a conspiracy than 9/11. People all have adgendas and goals. The Neocons piggybacked off 9/11 to do a lot of questionable stuff, invasions, wars, laws. Similarly, there are groups that are piggybacking off COVID to do a lot of questionable stuff.

 

[WDWRLD]

I love all these polls......but yet I can never once in my like ever having been polled for soemthing like this.....its kinda like Busch Gardens "Voted Most Beautiful Theme Park for 500 Years" claim.

 

[Zachary]

The problem with the poll is it ask a simple quest do you support a mask mandate but didn't define what the mandate was leaving each individual to define it for themselves. Meaning they could think they are supporting anything from a mandate that you wear one if you been exposed to you must wear one everytime you step out of your home at all times.

If you read the actual questions asked, it becomes very clear that no one can reasonably interpret the questions as “a mandate that you wear one if you been exposed.” That’s legitimately absurd given the actual poll questions.

 

[WDWRLD]

Maybe you two really simply don't understand the problem with your logic. Kinda tragic, really.

No the real tragedy is how easily people will do someting in the name of "Safety" and "Science" just because someone with a title says so.